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Surprised there wasnt a thread about this...
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(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi vowed to "crush any enemy" on Friday, addressing supporters in central Tripoli as Libya's popular uprising closed in around him and Western powers set about punishing him for attacks on his own people.

"We will fight if they want," the 68-year-old leader declared after a day of clashes in parts of the capital between security forces and crowds of protesters, which Gaddafi's opponents said had left some districts in their hands.

With eastern Libya firmly under opposition control after a week of unrest, protesters held the center of Zawiyah, west of the capital, a witness said, and laid makeshift defenses to fend off government forces after successive fierce attacks.

Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, talking to foreign journalists flown to Tripoli under escort, acknowledged his forces had "a problem" there and in the city of Misrata, 200 km (120 miles) east of Tripoli. But everywhere else was calm, he said, and talk of state brutality merely "lies" put about by hostile media.

Residents of the capital took a different view. "There have been gunshots non-stop," one woman said, who spoke of a friend seeing people shot down by security forces in the Souk al-Jumaa neighborhood. "She saw them shoot straight at the protesters."

The United States, which in recent years had a rapprochement with Gaddafi, was preparing sanctions and would not rule out military action. "His legitimacy has been reduced to zero in the eyes of his people," said President Barack Obama's spokesman.

The U.N. Security Council also drafted possible sanctions including an arms embargo, travel bans and freezing top officials' assets, and threatened the Libyan leadership with indictments for crimes against humanity.

Western powers, with whom Gaddafi has exploited Libya's oil after years of diplomatic isolation, have struggled to keep up with the pace of protests that have swept away Western-backed strongmen in neighboring Egypt and Tunisia already this year.

Gaddafi's own people seemed close to forcing him from power, although it is hard to assess the relative strengths of forces, which include irregular, tribal loyalists and militias backing Gaddafi and regular army units now gone over to the rebels.

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Other towns were reported by residents to have fallen to the opposition, although Gaddafi retained the defiance he has often displayed against the West over more than four decades.

"Get ready to fight for Libya, get ready to fight for dignity, get ready to fight for petroleum!" he urged the crowd of thousands in Tripoli's central Green Square, threatening to open military arsenals to his supporters and tribesmen.

"We can crush any enemy. We can crush it with the people's will," he said, shouting and waving his fists.

Residents said parts of Tripoli, apparently the last major stronghold of the man who took over Libya as a young colonel in a 1969 military coup, were already beyond his control.

"I think Tripoli is in uprising," said one man in the city center. "When you go to Green Square you find it full of Gaddafi

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/ ... supporters. In the other areas, they went out after Friday prayers and they are demonstrating against Gaddafi."
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i have no doubt whatsoever, scarf that US and british special forces are already in libya, as they were definitely in Egypt, likely also tunisia...wherever there is trouble, its always highly likely the brits and yanks, military folk, are involved in some clandestine manner...
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The UN is already considering military intervention, what Castro said has a ring to it...:)
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it does seem half the country at least want him gone....
and he has some very delusion statements
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Do you think Muammar Gaddafi would have a good health care plan? I seemed to understand Gaddafi more than I have the Democrats and think possibly he could be a good spokesman for the Democrat's healthcare program. Would this be a good choice for them?
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velentfy wrote:Do you think Muammar Gaddafi would have a good health care plan? I seemed to understand Gaddafi more than I have the Democrats and think possibly he could be a good spokesman for the Democrat's healthcare program. Would this be a good choice for them?
(Y) that made me chuckle, mr V...
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it certainly is an interesting first post on a stoner site...

and yes there is no doubt that both british and us forces are in Libya... they have been for a while have they not?
It seems strange that the US originally wanted Gaddaffi out... what was it... 15-20 years ago? and even tried to assisinate
him if im not correct? however this time they are sitting on their hands...
perhaps they are happy to get their oil from canada and saudi arabia instead... ????
im rambling
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as you havent yet got my 'news' report, and only a little has changes since i wrote it, i will transplant my rant here, and hope it fares better than my recent attempts to move my diesel weed plant from half coke bottle to pot...

6/3/11
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The vodka is flowing through my crimson rivers, easing me away from the maelstom of sobriety, as Dj Cut Killer delivers such high quality beats through my ears, into my flesh, causing my upper torso to bounce of its own accord, hopefully, to any onlookers, in time to the rhythm, but likely not...and as my free range chicken roast is far from ready for devouring, why not take this unexpected window of opportunity, to deliver a volatile war cry/appraisal of global affairs...

How can I begin anywhere other than Libya, where my old pal, Gaddafi is apparently, hemmed into a defensive position in the capital, Tripoli, as the country falls, moreso hour by hour, into the hands of those he has governed with an iron fist for far too many moons...But in order to explain what the fuck is going on in Libya, we need to begin elsewhere, as the region has been engulfed with flames of what is widely reported as 'revolution'. First Tunisia, then Bahrain, then Egypt, and more recently, and more blood drenched than anywhere else, Gaddafi's realm.

Its very easy to grab the headlines, and assume the situation is as simple as oppressed people rising up against their despotic leaders. A revolution, for the righteous, for the good, for humanity...yet the majority of people I know, had never heard of Muburak before January of this year. And have no desire to learn about what is truly afoot and WHY...Its simply a wave of revolt spreading across the region?

Surely the most obvious reaction to such serious uprisings occuring in several countries consecutively, is WHY?, not Bravo!...i prefer to delve a little deeper...

10% of tunisia's exports are OIL.

petroleum and natural gas provide 60% of bahrain's revenue.

Egypt is not a major oil producer, but is home to the vitally important Suez Canal, which carries around 2.4 million barrels of oil a day -- roughly equivalent to the daily output of Iraq or Brazil.

Libya is Africa’s major oil producer and one of Europe’s biggest North African oil suppliers.


Although Gaddafi is eccentric, and an obvious autocrat, I have never found him, from what I have known, especially horrid. In fact, I have often enjoyed his lunacy...A praetorian guard of buxom amazonian, uzi tottin wenches??? Indeed, it can be said that he remains, for now, and has always been, ruthless, but also, not in defence, but as a sidenote...the man has a rather unique style.

Make what you will of the above Facts. Surely in the least, something to ponder...with only Tunisia's natural reserves seeming close to innoccuous.And yet that is where this flash flood of civil revolt, moving from country to country, began...with a shop-keeper burning himself alive after reaching a point of no return.

Increasingly so, Saudi Arabia are now to be included in the swathe of uprisings with news appearing today of security forces heading in large numbers to the shia dominated north east regions. It seems that King Abdullah's $27bn promise for public services and suggestion of political reform have not gone nearly far enough to quell the growing unrest. It puts the Washington Obama posse, above all other western governments, in a potentially awful situation, as the drenched with oil Saudi royals are a major US ally. Expect less support for the people, than Obama has shown for the libyans and egyptians, and also far less front page photos of violence and brutality, if it occurs. Still...the american population probably wouldn't mind, if the recent past is anything to go by. The vast majority of the 9/11 pepertrators were saudis afterall...

It looks like the troubles are not solely part of an ongoing war for control of the most valuable natural resources, but its obviously the main reason why the West is interested. And if not oil, or gas, then its weapons...as Russia so clearly proved last week when vetoing UN security council suggestions of creating a no-fly zone over Libya. Considering the present $2bn arms deal between Tripoli and Moscow, no surprises there eh?

As I have highlighted heavy connections with the middle eastern regimes from Moscow and Washington, it only seems fair to mention the Brits. The photo above this text is my own interpretation of English PM, David Cameron, visiting Egypt a fortnight ago, most definitely NOT in order to offer support for the interim government, but to sell more weapons to make damn sure that such a horrorshow can happen all over again....

Mr Cameron in Cairo condemned as "completely appalling" the suppression of protests in Libya. He said: "I call on them even at this late stage to stop. People's aspirations for greater democracy, for greater freedom, for greater rights should be met with reform, not repression."

After leaving Britain early, Mr Cameron became the first world leader to visit Egypt since President Hosni Mubarak was toppled. The Prime Minister is also preparing, in a speech to the Kuwaiti parliament today, to urge governments across the region to respond to calls for reform.

Despite the change in his agenda, Mr Cameron is still taking a large delegation from business and industry, including eight representatives of defence firms attempting to secure contracts in the Gulf states. Among them are: Ian King, chief executive of BAE Systems; Alastair Bisset, group international director at QinetiQ; and Rob Watson, regional director of Rolls-Royce.

Sarah Waldron, campaigns co-ordinator at Campaign Against the Arms Trade, said: "The UK Government prioritises the interests of arms companies – it makes a mockery of claiming to have a rigorous approach to arms sales. People in the Middle East are dying in an attempt to get democracy and yet Cameron and other ministers are still selling weapons used to oppress them."


(http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 21695.html)
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As for a follow-up/...

Gadaffi has been armed by the russian and english. Indeed, he was taken, it appears, by surprise...losing many oil rich cities and other territory, mainly in the east. The 'revolution', or as others could call it, the 'insurgency'...appeared brutal, effective and way too fast for a man was powerful as The Colonel, to allow to drown him. Yes, he is eccentric. Yes, too much proof to ignore asserting that he can be brutal to those aho oppose him...but...the lockerbie bombing, has never been officially accepted by Gadaffi, as in 'WE DID THAT'...and also...Abdel Baset al-Megrahi was yes, released, under dubious mitigating factors, but his original trial was far from what many may define as Locked Down. And when the english government is happy to play 'want some guns, buddy???'...i say...fuck the moral high ground, which Cameron seems so eager to ascend towards, and make his hearth....

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haggard, hazy thoughts of Muammar and his foes...(and travel advisory notice)

Arab league chicken shit wenches...looking to support a NO FLY ZONE, but only if enforced by their western proxies...Certain leaders meeting tonight, european time, to discuss how to push for NO FLY ZONE...NO FLY ZONE = a military intervention = military invasion = war. Make no mistake. A NO FLY ZONE is not simply a case of Sarkozy, or Cameron, or Obama, telling Gaddafi 'Enough! no more flying, oky old sport?'. It means destruction of airports, runways, planes, and direct engagement, with all libyan air force aircraft and personnel...

...Gaddafi forces retaking recently lost cities by the day. Benghazi in sight...the final stand, perhaps, of the 'rebels' as oftenly referred to as 'civilians'/....which are they???? Can a grocer, very quickly prove proficient with a bazooka???? Who can say...despite the definite backlash over the last few days, unfortunately for the...opposition to gadaffi...it appears that he has NOT YET deployed his best armed, darkest of souls, berserker centurions, who once engaged, will not just lack the desire for, but also be ordered, to leave zero survivors...heads on sticks...that kinda bloody bosch like scene...so the burning question now is:

Gaddafi IS reclaiming his territory. The recovery and any dream of Success for the opposing forces to gadaffi, completely now hinges upon the enforcement of a NO FLY ZONE which the Arab league has endorsed, but not with their own means.

At the forefront of cries and girlish squeals FOR the NO FLY ZONE, is Hague, the bald headed, well spoken but goblin putrid, english foreign secratary...as to French PM Sarkozy's reasons for showing the gaul, which can at best be described as premature (or simply...french), to actually engage with the new libyan council/government...his reasons for doing so remain beyond my ken.

also...Bahrain is fucked up. anyone with plans to visit, PLEASE AVOID.
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I agree with your last sentence dear kong...

Bahrain would be similar to being ruled by a thousand gaddafi's... the prince system would have your head on a stick, as you say, for any slight mutterance against their power. unfortunately for the regular grocer in Bahrain, you can remove one but another takes his place just as quickly, filling the ranks of anything of importance. It surprised me just how quickly the Western Media ignored the protests happening in Bahrain.

as for Gaddafi, there is no doubt he is a mad man, and does need to go in my eyes. But as you say, the reports that we receive are far from consistent. I do however feel for the medical personal being subjected to bombings and shootings, and having to create mobile hospitals from ambulances...
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Mate, i also feel for anyone crushed by the brutality of others, without deserving to be done so horribly...but I have grown, over the years, unwilling and unable to take ANYTHING reported as FACT. There is little difference to me, of an eye witness account of a stranger, to an official statement from Gaddafi's henchmen. Both are biased. Both are drenched with propoganda. And as I have no libyan friends, I can only present the apparent Facts, and my opinion towards them....I was afforded a very different stance by an egyptian friend of mine from work, during the ousting of Mubarak. Taking the media line, asking her 'surely its a good thing, that the people, your people, are standing up to be counted, fighting tooth and claw for their rights????'...and her response was angry...something along the lines of...
'have you lived in egypt??? what do YOU know of the will of the people, other than what your media people tell you??? I am more fearful now, wondering WHo will take over. And no, i do not think its a great thing for Mubarak to be taken down...my family were happy under his rule, was yours????'

so take what you read and see with as pinch of arsenic, as they say...
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The road to benghazi seems clear and open...just as the UN passes an OK for airstrikes and a no fly zone...now there is a race against time. Can gaddafi reclaim benghazi, the seat of the uprising, before the US/frog/anglo planes start bombing the fuck out of them???? Reports suggest a Sunday/Monday invasion, and yes, it IS an invasion...taking benghazi will be no simple task. Still...my money is on gaddafi.
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weedguru_animal wrote:I was afforded a very different stance by an egyptian friend of mine from work, during the ousting of Mubarak. Taking the media line, asking her 'surely its a good thing, that the people, your people, are standing up to be counted, fighting tooth and claw for their rights????'...and her response was angry...something along the lines of...
'have you lived in egypt??? what do YOU know of the will of the people, other than what your media people tell you??? I am more fearful now, wondering WHo will take over. And no, i do not think its a great thing for Mubarak to be taken down...my family were happy under his rule, was yours????'

so take what you read and see with as pinch of arsenic, as they say...
of course there are two sides to every coin doctor... and im sure if you ask many of the families in the UAE who are looked after by the royals, then life is fine under their rule... however their are many others who arent as satisfied with the way their homelands are ruled. I too work with an Egyptian and her belief was the exact opposite of your workmates... She wished Mubarak dead for the money he held from the people...

So while i agree that it is not our place to enforce a no fly zone and bomb the shit out of Libya, my point remains that if there are enough people with the belief that they can overthrow the powers that be, they will fight for it... to the death in most instances because thats all they have
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That's how democracy works, if a majority of the Egyptian people is fed up with the regime then it's their right to stand up and oust him.
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