israel/lebanon

[flynn]

so yeah...australia lost its first soldier yesterday. i still don't get it why our troops are over there

[Dr. Greenthumb]

Always a shame to see people die over a grudge. Especially innocent soldiers.

[cutthecashflow]

So America does not like Hezbollah, America supported the Shiites, The Shiites and Hezbollah have strong ties, Sadaam mass murdered thousands of Shiites......

FUCKING POLITICS!

[weedguru_animal]

So why the two-faced routine Mr Blair..could it have something to do with this>
‘Campaigners have demanded that Britain impose a ban on arms sales to Israel after figures showed that the Government licensed £23m worth of weaponry to be shipped to the country in the past year. They warned that British arms sales to Tel Aviv broke the Government's pledge not to stock the arsenals of countries where there is a risk of regional instability or conflict.’(Observer, July 2006)
I wonder if there were any British licenced weapon sales to Hizbollah??? Probably not, because many countries brand the group, ‘terrorists’.

As for an explanation for Bush’s woeful reluctance to study the facts of the situation, we don’t need to look too far…And how easily I found this information almost shocked me as much as the weight of the words themselves. The lady who is quoted in the following passage is Frida Berrigan., Senior Research Associate with the Arms Trade Resource Center at the World Policy Institute…( The Arms Trade Resource Center was established in 1993 to engage in public education and policy advocacy aimed at promoting restraint in the international arms trade)----->

Almost all of the weapons used by Israel are from the United States. There might be a couple French fighter planes that they’re using, but its F-16s made in Fort Worth, Texas; its Apache helicopters; its Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles; it’s all from the United States. So you have this real disconnect between an overemphasis on the supply by Iran and Syria of Hezbollah's weapons and no discussion of the fact that all of the Israeli arsenal is from the United States, and that that is in contravention to U.S. law. to the Arms Export Control Act, which says that U.S.-origin weapons are only to be used for self-defense and for internal security.
(Now we can start to understand why Bush keeps stating that ‘Israel have a right to defend their country’)

(Since 2001)We’re looking at incredible increases in U.S. military aid and weapons sales to Israel. Military aid stands at about $3 billion a year. That’s about $500 for every Israeli citizen that the United States provides on an annual basis. And then, weapons sales, most recently, since the Bush administration came into power, we’re looking at $6.3 billion worth of weaponry sold to Israel.
…the United States provides 20% of the Israeli military budget on an annual basis, and then about 70% of that money that is given from the United States, from U.S. taxpayers, to Israel is then spent on weapons from Lockheed Martin and Boeing and Raytheon.
…when you’re talking about 20% of the Israeli military budget, you’re talking about a huge fulcrum of leverage, right? The United States could today say, you know, “This incursion into Lebanon, the killing of civilians, the bombing in Gaza, all of this is not internal security, all of this is not self-defense, and we’re cutting it off.” And they could cut it off tomorrow. And that would essentially not only send an incredibly strong message to the Israeli military, but it would remove the tools of the occupation, the tools of the bloodshed and the suffering that’s happening in Lebanon and in Gaza.

..on the 14th(july), the United States decided to sell $120 million worth of jet fuel to the Israeli military. The little notice that announced the sale from the Defense Security Cooperation Agency said, “This fuel will be used to promote peace and security in the region.” And then, meanwhile, you have jets strafing villages, bombing civilians, taking out bridges, destroying water treatment plants
…the largest weapons manufacturer in this country(US) is Lockheed Martin. It’s based in Texas. And it manufactures the F-16 fighter plane, all manner of missiles. It manufactures the C-130, which is a huge transport plane. It’s the biggest weapons manufacturer in the world.
Lockheed Martin and the Israeli military recently went into business together, co-producing a version of the F-16 fighter plane called the Sufa, which means “storm” in Hebrew. It’s built partially outside of Tel Aviv, and then the final work is done in Ft. Worth, Texas. It’s a $4 billion deal with the Israeli military. For the first time, an Israeli military company is contributing in its manufacturing the avionics of the plane. So there’s this -- it’s almost this supranational relationship between Lockheed Martin and the Israeli defense industry. It’s a kind of relationship that weapons corporations in this country would like to see with other countries, where they work directly with -- they sort of transcend government and work directly with the manufacturers of weapons in other countries. … (all the above taken from DemocracyNow.com)

It is suddenly becoming all too painfully clear for my small heart and ultra-absorbent mind. Money, seems to be the driving force behind Bush’s evil ignorance. This is a depressingly accurate example of blood-letting for financial gain. But there is certainly much more to the story, than the obvious $ arrangements which Frida so succinctly outlined. I have not the energy or inclination to attempt to explain why it is that American citizens pay for 20% of the Israeli annual military budget. But it isn’t a point to be forgotten, such is it’s obvious pertinence to this, the latest in a lengthening line of wars that are fought primariliy to make money. This is the reality, not conjecture. For America and the UK to lecture Syria and Iran about supplying weapons to Hizbollah, is tow-faced and yet another illustration of how little those swine care about telling the truth. As a friend remarked to me, after discussing this very topic : ‘(those fuckers are).. lizard people’….


Americans are either directly paying towards the Israeli military budget or american companies are supplying almost all of israel's weapons...

US (and UK) both call hizbollah terrorists, but are more than happy to give(in yankee case) or sell (both yankee/UK) weapons to Israel which are used to sluaghter innoent civillians. a fucking disgrace.

[cutthecashflow]

Money, seems to be the driving force behind Bush’s evil ignorance.

Yea it's fucking disgraceful how money makes the world go round. As long as someone is getting a dollar in their pocket, well then it is quite easer to pick allies...

Animal, have you ever seen the movie Lord of War? If not then I suggest picking it up, and watching it. It really shows you why the weapons trade will never cease, and will eventually be the death of us all.


Absolutley disguisted...

Edit: I took your above post and put it into word format on my desktop to let my family read it.....

[youngweezy]

[Dr. Greenthumb]

Money, seems to be the driving force behind Bush’s evil ignorance.

Money makes the world go round, dont think that any politician is any different. It's all about money and power. Money moreso than power.

[weedguru_animal]

but money is power, doc.

[Dr. Greenthumb]

I thought about that as I was writing. I though about it for a minute and no its not. Many of these pigfuckers are power crazed. At such levels money is no longer an issue. They are addicted to the control they have.

i.e. Bush is money hungry while Saddam Hussein was power hungry.

The list is endless but I think you will understand my point.

[weedguru_animal]

at best they are inextricably linked.

anyway, let us not get off topic..

i refuse to sum up the israel bullshit by generalizing the horrid and unlawful offensive 'defensive' manouveres of the israeli government..

this is a case of the western powers basically saying it's okay for people to kill innocent lives as long as they use weapons that we sell or give to them. that is the crux of my angst.

accepting that 'money is power' does not lead me to accept that it is fine and dandy for Bush and Blair to use taxpayers money to help finance illegal unjust wars.

i am thankful that i am not an american because my guilt and anger would be even worse....because every american citizen directly conributes to the israeli military machine...and it is for this reason that the american media paints a disgracefully biased image of any groups who are attacked with american weapons...

oh yeh, hizbollah, they are to blame for everything??? that is a load of shit. only a truly ignorant or evil (or both) pigfucker could seriously adopt that viewpoint. it shows a complete disregard for fact and fairness.

i feel terribly angry and guilty that blair trades with those swine yet calls hizbollah a terrorist organization....scum, pure scum.

[youngweezy]

yo why did my post get edited?

[Dr. Greenthumb]

did you say anything racist or really offensive?

[weedguru_animal]

youngweezy, your post was edited because it was racist, ignorant, downright fucking stupid and there is never any place for posts of that nature on this site.

You are welcome to stay on the forums, as long as you don't repeat your error. If you really wish to express your open racist ignorant fucking stupid thoughts, then please may i graciously request that you post them on another forum, NOT ON WEEDGURU

cheers
and good luck
animal

[weedguru_animal]

'Shocking attack

The Israeli air strike on the southern Lebanese village of Qana in the early hours of Sunday killed at least 54 Lebanese civilians, mostly children. '
(BBC)

I have been absorbed in other issues this last few days, but now I am playing catch-up. And it is not a fun routine.

It appears that despite Israel stating they would momentarily halt their aerial bombardment of the schools, town halls, hospitals, petrol stations, roads, bridges, shops, markets, power plants, they have continued to launch deadly misiles from their drone aircraft which adopt a laser guided method to kill with deadly accuracy. Also they have extended and strenghtened their incursion into lebanese land...

Israeli forces are pushing deeper into southern Lebanon after Israel's cabinet unanimously agreed to widen the ground offensive against Hezbollah.

One minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, says Israel needs 10 days to two weeks to clear Hezbollah from the border.

Fierce ground fighting continued in south Lebanon overnight and, despite a 48-hour air strike suspension, Israeli jets hit targets across the country.
i] (BBC)

After nearly three weeks of fighting, about 750 people - mainly civilians - have been killed by Israeli action, according to Lebanon's health minister.

A total of 51 Israelis, including at least 18 civilians, have been killed by Hezbollah - which has been fighting Israeli incursions and sending rockets into northern Israel.

The statements speak for themselves.

[youngweezy]

how come you guys say how bad israel is when they're the ones who are attempting to get hezbollah where as hezbollah is shooting rockets carelessy into cities?