Amercian soldiers rape and kill at will

Post by **weedguru_animal** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:30 pm

Though I have lost the will to retrace my tear drenched steps to the exact report which disenchanted me with the news that a gang of Yankee soldiers were in the dock for the rape and murder of a Iraqi family, the shameful nature of the incident sticks so firmly like hot shit in my memory banks that I must try something, anything, to cool it down or get it out. The story surrounding these soldiers went something like this:>
There had been fighting in the area between American soldiers and insurgents, with both sides suffering casualties. Five of the Yankee soldiers, who has been stationed on a road block just outside a small Iraqi town, decided to pay a little visit to the first house they could find which homed worthy applicants for rape and/or execution. These soldiers were fully armed and in full army attire, i.e.dressed for war. They found a house, in which a family of five-mother, father, three sisters, were cowering with justified fear. One of the daughters, of around 14 years of age, was taken into a separate room where she was raped by a soldier, before getting a bullet in the head. The rest of her family had been transferred into another room, lined up, then cruelly executed. Now the most important point to accept here, before reacting fully and allowing your perspective to form, is that these Iraqis were 100% innocent of any wrongdoing, they were neither suspects of any crime or threatening towards the American soldiers who barged in and mercilessly culled them.
That story is not an isolated incident. Abuse of prisoners and civilians by American soldiers has been bitterly publicized by all but the most Pro-Bush media institutions. Abu Gharib????Guantanamo Bay???Illegal rendition/torture CIA programs?????

As a Brit, I am in no position to attempt to take the moral high-ground. Pick a war, or any meaningful conflict around the globe and you can be sure there will be british troops nearby or british spies or british mercenaries...However, what I can't understand is why much of the american army seems to be either horrendoulsy ignorant of what is Right and what is Wrong, and/or blind to the attention that their seriously evil actions continually attract...Those photos, for instance, of the yankee female soldier smiling a crocodiles smile whilst scaring the hell out of a bound, iraqui prisoner, by use of an Guard-dog's snarling mouth full of teeth...madness. an ill-disciplined, well armed gang of rapists, pyscho-killers and man-women...that is the modern american army. or has it always been like this?

Dr. Greenthumb · Post by **Dr. Greenthumb** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:36 pm

Similar things happened and Vietnam and every other war since the beginings of civilization. A soldier is a trained killing machine, instilling the instinct to kill in a person changes the way they react in unfamiliar situations.

It's fucked up. It's horrible.

how's it going to change?

Post by **weedguru_animal** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:46 pm

raping a 14 year old girl is nothing to do with being a soldier.

Also, my point was that the yankee soldiers really don't seem to think there is anything wrong with treating the civillians of countries they invade, as sub-human scum.

A group of british soldiers were charged for beating up some civillians but the brits haven't sustain countless scandals of rape, torture and cold-hearted execution of civillians.

it makes sense that because the american army is so stretched that many reservists have been called in. Some reservists will be patriotic bravehearts, but the majority will most likely be nasty mongrels who just want to kill and rape...there must be a conscious system in place to invite these types into the yankee army...

yeh, war is never pretty. but american soldiers continue to prove they are always the ugliest of the Western military organizations. every time a report appears in the news papers the world over, of american soldiers brutalizing occupied, innocent, people, there will no doubt be an upwards surge in all anti-western terror agency membership applications.

Grrrl · Post by **Grrrl** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:58 pm

Bare with me, there is releveance to this... Zimbardo was this psychologist that did a really famous study. The experiement, aimed to see how much people conform and what lengths they go to. The experiment had volunteers who were everyday ppl split into 2groups, prisoners and guards. A prison was then simulated and the guards and prisoners given the correct uniforms and observed with video camera's. The level of conformity was extremely high. Guards adapted a violent confrontational manner towards the prisoners, and the prisoners held riots in protest. This striking example of psychological research shows how the behavior of the individual can be shaped by the demands of the environment.

It is therefore I theorise that the uniform makes the soldiers feel like they should conform to what they think soldier's are like, eg cold blooded killers, violent, above the law. Just a possibility

Jah Bless

Post by **weedguru_animal** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:38 pm

your signature is more than enough to remind me that the world isn't such a cold place...

as poor as it may sound, whatever you said rasta(and for all i know you may well have issued a bloodthirsty call to arms)I refuse to dispute...

an enchanting finish to a decidedly bitter topic...

Post by **Weedguru_Falkon** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:10 pm

And this thread highlights with a burning fiery flame why i refuse to
A. Sign up for the mandatory "SS" (Selective service in the US. When you turn 18, you MUST sign up for this program, and its basically a document saying that you pledge loyalty to the US and will be in the US Armed Forces should they need you. SS was also the name of Hitler's most loyal Nazi party..... starting to see the connections now?)

B. EVER go into the United States Armed Forces/military.
I have friends that are dying and eager to get into the military, and i can see why. I truly would like to defend freedom, what America was created for... but there are sooo many things that turn me against this country.

Such examples include this thread, how America was founded (the genocide and homocide occurring in New England), and how blatantly American people are unfriendly, uncaring, fat fucking slobs. I cant stand it. Ive lived in America my whole life, and a few years back took a road trip up about 2 or 300 miles into canada to Lake Louise, and i was shocked. Not only were people extremely friendly there, but the place was beautiful. There wasnt much trash, there were far more people riding bikes, there were far less people overweight... everyone there is glad to help one another, and, yes, even us tourists.

Although the latter paragraph doesnt have anything to do with the military, armed forces, or anything in the middle east, it does contrast why i refuse to serve for america and why, when i turn 18, im going straight to jail. I have 11 months to live, basically. (the reason for my lifetime sentence in jail when im 18 is the fact that when one doesnt sign up for the SS, you automatically are charged for treason and are thrown in jail. See, isnt America great?)

anyway, thanks for listening to my rant. I hope this has brought some sort of a viewpoint to those of you around the world in places like the UK and australia.

Psyclone · Post by **Psyclone** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:47 pm

You can't blame the soldiers...they are ordered to kill...then their mind is preset to just kill...and they are raping them because they are guys, they have an open chance to get laid without laws of doing it forcefully, so they take advantage...that's why we always get crazy sniper fucks from the military because they have the mind to kill, it gets fun to them. It's war to blame, it's not just the US doing it...in every war, dating back to anchient Rome...it's been happening...

Grrrl · Post by **Grrrl** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:06 pm

There is no justification to degrade a fellow human being in such a way, or in anyway infact. Just cos people have been raping people for years doest mean its right. Infact it makes it more wrong because something more should have been done about it considering the period of time its been going on for. It's primitive, what separates humans from animals is being able to control our instinctual urges. It's called bein civilised. And nothing can justify taking a life. Life is a gift, no one has the right to end a life, mentally or physically. God giveth and God taketh away. Who are we to judge whether someone deserves their life.
peace

Post by **Weedguru_Falkon** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:52 pm

Ok, according to you, Psyclone, then we should go and empty all the prisons here because the people that have committed crimes were brought up that way, and "theyre preset" to do so, so why are we throwing them in jail? Wouldnt that be wrong, according to your logic?

Im really not trying to be mean, but like rasta said, there is absolutely no excuse for this.
Sure theyre trained to be tough, menacing, and above all, powerful, in the military, but you can be tough, menacing, powerful, and just do your job.

Lets put it into contrast. Youre at home one night with your family whom you love very much. Theres a war going on in your area, and youre just frightened to high hell. The only thing that keeps you sane is knowing that your family is save, and that you all love each other

Then, a militant comes into your house using EXCESSIVE force, tying you and your family up. They make you watch as they rape your sister/mother, then proceed to kill them executioner style in front of you, with absolutely no emotion whatsoever.

So that is ok? theyre military, right? you shouldnt feel bad at all, because theyve been trained that way.
at least, thats according to your logic in aforementioned post.

Psyclone · Post by **Psyclone** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:57 pm

No no no I didn't say it was ok, I'm saying it's wrong too...I'm saying that it's just going to keep happening because war makes soldiers on both sides dillusional.

Post by **Weedguru_Falkon** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:24 am

yeah. Ok. i see your point now. It is rather unfortunate, though, and i wish someone would put a stop to war.
"In war, all men are brothers" becasue each side only knows that theyre supposed to shoot whoever is in their line of site. Most soldiers know not why they fight, nor do the outcomes affect them much.

Dr. Greenthumb · Post by **Dr. Greenthumb** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:30 am

Psyclone and Animal are on opposite sides of the spectrum but I have to comment on what you both said...

animal, the point I was making is that they are killing machines. They are trained to resolve problems and get what they want through violence. What happened is horrible but it's ignorant to think that Americans are the only ones that do this kind of thing. And to say that the reserves are being sent over there to rape civilians is ridiculous.

psyclone, you cant pass it off on the people who blamed them those soldiers had the freedom to choose, they werent forced into anything. They planned it out ahead of time and they were precise and brutal. You can't just say it wasnt their fault because of training.

Post by **weedguru_animal** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:40 am

'animal, the point I was making is that they are killing machines. They are trained to resolve problems and get what they want through violence. What happened is horrible but it's ignorant to think that Americans are the only ones that do this kind of thing. And to say that the reserves are being sent over there to rape civilians is ridiculous.
'

maybe you were fully blind, doc, to my 'as a brit i have no high ground...etc' paragraph. or maybe as it made your point worthless, you decided to ignore it...either way i will re-iterate a little of what I was attempting to bring to light....

i have no dispute over a soldiers role. they are trained killing machines. but they are not, or should not be, trained raping machines and trained murderers...there is a major difference between killing an enemy soldier and raping a defenceless, innocent girl...

the soldiers of the american army, have a very exclusive and dispicable reputation of regularly showing scant regard for the sanctity of human life. I am sure that other armies do much wrong, but other armies can usually undestand that rape and cold blooded execution of innocents isn't Right. So we don't see photos of other troops treating prisoners like rabid animals, we don't hear stories of british troops pissing on detainees and dressing them up like dolls then scaring the fuck out of them with their weapons and killer dogs....

other armies may well have similar problems within their ranks, problems of severe ill-discipline, but it is the yankee army who shows it's ugliness the most regularly and often in a savagely brazen manner...

don't they understand, these rapists and executioners, that not only are their actions 100% inexcusable but also damaging not only to their own reputations but to the whole group of co-allition forces at war in afganistan and iraq. To see how the yankee soldiers generally treat the 'enemy and all his mates' is a mockery to everything Bush has said about his mission in Iraq.

Yes, other armies are savage, they are obligated to be so through the nature of their work. But the american army is one of the worst on Earth. for how they behave in foreign land, and for the wars that they fight.
Last time i was here in australia, i found myself in a hicktown up in queensland. i was looking for work in the fields. yes proper toil of a rurual type isn't my forte, but i needed money and was kinda bored. the pub where i stayed was the hq for a local biker gang, called The Rebels, and I was befriended by an ex-biker, recently released con, named Shane. He liked me because I displayd, to him, almost exactly the same array of respectful manners and courtesy that the british paratroopers had shown him when he had fought alongside them in Iraq( a few years back). Shane was an ex-army chap, aussie army. he had been imprisoned because on his last release of leave from the australian forces, he had arrived home to find his lady had shacked upwith a 'disrespectful no good son of a bitch' who Shane immediately seeked out, then drove to the desert, buried the guy in the sand up to his neck and left him there for dead....oh i should mention that he had shot the guy once, though to disable not to greivously wound ...'was only a nick' as Shane explained to me...anyway I had many conversations with Shane about his army experiences and his opinions were that Britain were the 'most decent and well trained soldiers in the West'. he gave me the very vivid impression that the yankees, when he had been in contact with them during his service years in the force, were ' a bunch of headless grunts, incapable of anything but ill-discipline when their bosses werent around'...

that opnion of 'headless grunts' has been repeated by every current or x-army man i have ever spoken to about the subject of 'do the brits behave?? and which armies do you deplore/respect??'

'And to say that the reserves are being sent over there to rape civilians is ridiculous. '
and with that, you have twisted what i wrote, doc.but either way you are a little in the dark i fear, about both the current need for reservists and also the varying standards which seperate a full blown soldier from a reservist...

the standpoint of 'all war is bad' is an easy one to adopt, but it also shows a lack of acceptance/awareness of the blatant problems that the US army has had for many years. Again, as i seem to find myself typing often these days: i can understand how americans especially could be almost totally ignorant of how their army behaves because the media insitutions of the US are some of the most crooked in existence and history...not much difference other than in aesthetics between the chinese propaganda department, which is very much alive and killing/punishing/oppressing/crushhing, and the yankee government/ media systems....
the obvious problem with a crooked media system is that the yankee public don't get to hear or see the most serious negative news about US actions, unless they take matters into their own hands and hunt out a reputable news source....but then they must be given reason to do that in the first place. (if you don't know that the news you watch is bullshit, why would you search for more sources???)

This is the main reason, in my opinion, that there is so much discrepancy between an average americans view and the view of any human who has seen the news for the last few years, through the eyes of a variety of sources, say some arab media outlets, some european, some yankee, some asian....etc ..

Dr. Greenthumb · Post by **Dr. Greenthumb** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:41 pm

I've never in my life heard somebody use the term yankee so much especially in everyday speech. It's as if you use it as a derrogatory term and refuse to say American. I'm really too stoned to read through all of that last bit.

The point I'm trying to get across to you is that just because you hate the american government you tend to generalize americans as pompous idiots or killers. Soldiers have been raping and pilaging since the begining of time and to think that we are any more civilized now than we were then is straight up stupid. They've also always had the ability to choose between right and wrong. The soldiers knew it was wrong and did it anyway.

I dont even see why this topic is in mass debate...what are we arguing?

Post by **weedguru_animal** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:29 pm

Doc, i really cant begin to understand how you could possibly assume that I use the term yankee as a derogatory word.

that is laughable.

but if it upsets you, and you take offence from it, then I will reduce my usage...i had got the definite impression that the modern usage of the word was to mean merely an american...like a brit means a british person...I can hardly shortern or lengthen the standard 'american'??? americani??? amercs???So, yankee is more like a more familiar, less formal, version of american, to me..but seriously, if I am insulting people with that word, i have no problem dropping it from my weedguru posts, and also from any future conversations with americans. that wouldn't be a problem...it just seems funny. what you wrote..

the real reason I use the word yankee alot is because words beginning with 'y' are few and far between, so when I get one that needs uding regularly, i really go to town...

And, in future, doc, rather than picking something you find offensive then not bothering to read the whole post, please don't bother commenting at all..Else what more can I offer in terms of a response?

I am not anti-american any more than I am anti-humans, in general.. i make no distinction between race when i cast my dispersions over humanity...

also this comment of yours doc
'to generalize americans as pompous idiots or killers' is slander and completely without validity...

the amount of times i have roared my speech about 'how the majority of humans that i respect the most in this world, are americans' seems almost a waste of time when i am told by an american, that I generalize americans as pompous idiots or killers...

utterly ridiculous....ALL my favourite authors are americans. At least 80% of my favoured musicians/poets are american.

You are sincerely wrong to think that I regularly defame the american population...

Without americans, i wouldn't be able to rhyme and without americans i would not have regained my love for language. i am in no way a yankee-hater

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