israel/lebanon

[Dr. Greenthumb]

Please dont categorize me into the group of mel gibson followers.

[weedguru_animal]

'how come you guys say how bad israel is when they're the ones who are attempting to get hezbollah where as hezbollah is shooting rockets carelessy into cities?'

well personally, weezy, i base my posts on this matter directly on FACT, because there is so much religious and financial bullshit, the only way you can really competently discuss this topic is by referring to facts.


i think the statistics of
51 israelis dead (18 civillians, the rest soldiers)
750 lebanese dead (mainly civillians)

The IDF, using american tax payers money, meaning any american who works and pays tax, to kill innocent civillians en masse.

[Dr. Greenthumb]

tax dollars at work.

[Dr. Greenthumb]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060802/D8J8I2405.html

[cutthecashflow]

Yea, Isreal pushed farther into Lebanon today. Really I mean while I support the fact that Isreal is fighting a group of Radical Terrorists who are bent on destruction. I cannot come to a consesous why o why they had to bomb the building with the women and children in it.

What strikes me even more in awe is that Condelezza Rice just keeps on screwing up over there. I mean we are supposed to be the world leaders on restoring world peace, but yet the Bush administration lets Isreal continue the slaughter, while every other UN country wants a cease fire immediatly.

I guess it would not be the first time that the Bush administration has done something that the enitre UN has disagreed with.

Vote Democratic in 2008!

[weedguru_animal]

' Israel is fighting a group of Radical Terrorists who are bent on destruction. '

i think you are mistaken to assume hizbollah are radical terrorists.

i would say that the israel government is a group of far more accomplished terrorists and murderers.

The crimes committed by the Israeli government are nothing short of evil and the repurcusions for the world as a whole are going to be dire.

the fuckers took out a UN compound yesterday, with a classic laser guided precision strike. killing 4 UN observers. they are a sick bunch of heathen emporers in the Caligula mould...
Really if the UN was interested in humanitarin issues, they would have sent a force into Lebanon to get Israel the fuck out. But no, all the Un has done is 'condemn' the israeli atrocities....

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Yea, Isreal pushed farther into Lebanon today. Really I mean while I support the fact that Isreal is fighting a group of Radical Terrorists who are bent on destruction. I cannot come to a consesous why o why they had to bomb the building with the women and children in it.

What strikes me even more in awe is that Condelezza Rice just keeps on screwing up over there. I mean we are supposed to be the world leaders on restoring world peace, but yet the Bush administration lets Isreal continue the slaughter, while every other UN country wants a cease fire immediatly.

I guess it would not be the first time that the Bush administration has done something that the enitre UN has disagreed with.

Vote Democratic in 2008!

Yes, the Bush administration is a bunch of pompous cocks who think they are the hottest shit in the toilet and believe they really can get away with anything without considering other nations' opinions. It seems the slaughter will continue until we can get our heads out of our asses long enough to realize that we are the ones with the power to end this senseless killing spree.

Out of curiosity Animal, if you don't consider Hezbollah terrorists then what do you consider them?

[wizz]

aliens

[cutthecashflow]

Animal, when a group of people cross a border, kidnapp soldiers, and kill others, then what would you call them?

[Dr. Greenthumb]

Here we go...

[weedguru_animal]

israel has been firmly entrenched in palestinian land for many years. they also occupied lebanon from 1982-2000. also the IDF has regualrly arrested and killed hizbollah and fatah members.

So...while israel are occupying land that simply isn't theirs, policing people who don't want them in their land,and invading other countries when they feel like it...from a logical point of view...they are more in the Wrong than any other group involved.


again, let us look at who arms israel and who arms hizbollah...

iran and syria help out hizbollah are are condemned for that by most countries...but how the fuck can blair or bush condemn iran and syria for giving weapons to hizbollah when UK and US sell/donate weapons, and extremely highly advanced weapons at that, to Israel...???? they can't.

i am british, and my government sells weapons to the IDF. that is fucking despicable...absolutely about $...and more reason than ever i have needed to become determined to become a part of any kind of revolution from within british society, even if the outcome is chaos...a chaotic britain with no government to organize weapon sales to israel, would be preferable to the sorry society i see now.....

also, in my mind, iran have a Right to make nuclear weapons...UK and US have them, so does israel...and these three countries are not run by Good people, they are run by scum....so again, there s no moral high ground to be taken...there isn't a universal body whose doctrine is heavily based in preserving life....not one.

[weedguru_animal]

'Israeli aircraft struck deep into Lebanon yesterday, killing at least 33 Syrian Kurdish farm workers and destroying four bridges on a key aid route leading north from Beirut.

The attack on the farm workers, who were loading peaches and plums on to trucks at Qaa in the north of the Beka'a valley, was one of the single deadliest strikes of the war.'bbc.co.uk

'In Qaa, the bodies of the dead were laid in a row at the scene of the bombing. Some were covered with blankets, others lay in the clothes in which they died. Baskets and fruit were strewn around them. Another 20 people were wounded and taken to hospital across the nearby border into Syria. Israel said its aircraft had targeted a Hizbullah weapons storage site in the Beka'a.

The Syrian minister of information, Mohsen Bilal, appeared on state TV late last night, saying "Syrian blood is now mixed with Lebanese blood. The United States and Condoleezza Rice are responsible for this crime."

UN aid officials said the bombing of the main coastal highway north from Beirut to the Syrian border earlier in the day had cut an "umbilical cord" of aid supplies. Four civilians were killed and others injured - the first time the Christian heartland of Lebanon has been hit. The bombing halted a convoy of eight lorries carrying 150 tonnes of relief shipments, though aid was arriving by air and by sea.

In south Lebanon, meanwhile, ground battles rocked several villages. Three Israeli soldiers were killed as troops fought to seize a "security zone" along the border. Reports last night said seven civilians had been killed and 10 wounded in an air strike on a house in Taibe, in the heart of the battlefield. Some reports said that 57 people were buried under the rubble.'bbc co uk

yes, hizbollah have been firing missiles deep into israeli land and are now killing a few more israeli civillians, but the difference lies in the two leaders....and akso the number dead...

israeli leader Ehud Olmert::
"the fighting continues. there is no ceasefire and there will be no ceasefire in the coming days"

and hizbollah:::
DUBAI (Reuters) - Hizbollah's deputy leader said on Thursday his group would not accept a ceasefire that did not include the withdrawal of all Israeli troops from Lebanese soil.

"An end of (Israeli) aggression means three things: firstly a ceasefire, secondly the return of those evicted, and third of al the departure of Israel from any land it might have occupied," Naim Kassem, in remarks to Al Jazeera television.

And I agree with the Hizbollah demands. WHy the hell would they surrender when israel are bombing the fuck out of their people and land???? that would be like offering your baby lambs to a gang of rabid wolves.....

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^So then, if you don't consider Hizbollah terrorists, then what do you consider them?

[weedguru_animal]

i consider hizbollah as legitimate an organization as the israeli government. They do a lot more than defend what they think is their brothers' land and lives....

i also think that hizbollah are braver thanman experts suggest because if hizbolah troops were all to line up out int he open the IDF would crucify them in one blast..However, though they are huddin amongst the people, they are always very eay to spot on the ground and they expect to be...so his hiding behind civillians is bullshit...a guerilla army often starts fromthe people and stays of the people...also the lebanese army is no way going to disarm the main pro-arab force of lebanon; that simply wouldn't make sense...

so though i don't agree with the total destruction of Israel, I so see Fatah, Hamas and Hizbollah as freedom fighters...because Palestine and now Lebanon(again, israelis killed 19000 lebanese during last occupating 82-2000) so anyone fightig against the occupying force, yes, in my mind becomes a legitimate freedom fighter...

how would you guys feel if another country you hated, came in and bombed the fuck out of you, used savage force and didn't give a fuck if they killed your baby brother and sisters...would you really believbe israel and blame Hizbollah if you were a lebanese lad??? i don't think so. i wouldn't blame them..

[Dr. Greenthumb]

Maybe you should carry up their cause for freedom. You can blow up busses full of kids and call it a fight against oppression.