Are Dolphins Sentient Beings...? (with video)

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Are Dolphins Sentient Beings...? (with video)

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Mirror self-recognition in the bottlenose dolphin: A case of cognitive convergence

http://www.pnas.org/content/98/10/5937.long
The ability to recognize oneself in a mirror is an exceedingly rare capacity in the animal kingdom. To date, only humans and great apes have shown convincing evidence of mirror self-recognition. Two dolphins were exposed to reflective surfaces, and both demonstrated responses consistent with the use of the mirror to investigate marked parts of the body. This ability to use a mirror to inspect parts of the body is a striking example of evolutionary convergence with great apes and humans.
The capacity for mirror self-recognition (MSR) has been found only in humans and great apes (1–8). In humans, MSR does not emerge reliably until 18–24 months of age (9) and marks the beginning of a developmental process of achieving increasingly abstract psychological levels of self-awareness, including introspection and mental state attribution (10, 11). The first evidence for MSR in a nonhuman species was experimentally demonstrated in the common chimpanzee (1), but numerous subsequent attempts showed no convincing evidence of self-recognition in a variety of other primates and nonprimates, including monkeys, lesser apes, and elephants (12–18). All of these species, including African gray parrots (19) demonstrate the ability to use a mirror to mediate or guide their behavior. A provocative debate continues to rage about whether self-recognition in great apes implies that they are also capable of more abstract levels of self-awareness (20). Therefore, research on self-recognition in other species will have profound implications for the idea that humans are the only species to conceive of their own identity.
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lol that's kinda cool. They do smile! :)
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it appears a strange measure of sentiency when surely a massive portion of the worlds creatures never have access to a mirror, whether artifically made or of nature...like a reflection in water.

As for my own experiences with watching non humans and mirrors...my cats have never been interested in their own reflections. As for Oscar...he generally barks at his reflection, then growls and snarls like a dwarf soldier on the war path. The thing is...oscar is sentient enough to recognize his own voice, even from 18 months ago. I have a video clip or three of him chasing my hand and growling, snarling, making silly puppy yapping noises. when i play it back in front of him, he doesnt react at all.. doesnt even look for the source of the dog sounds, yet he can obviously hear them. whereas ANY other dog sounds, from the tv, computer (films), or outside, even from a distance, he gets proud and war like and defensive towards...so its definitely recognition. maybe he remembers saying the lines he is saying in the clip, as well as recognizes his voice...as they are lines he still says now, but in a different, more meaty tone.

i had a lengthy argument about sentiency with certifed nutter a while back, which didnt end pretty....hohohoho! so i best leave this here,. for now.
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thats why i dont like animal rights activist groups that think hunting is bad and shit, most animals arent sentient, when a family member dies they really dont give a shit. they might be sad for a minute or two until it decides there are more important things as he was programmed to do so.

another thing, vegans are fucked, we have eyes on the front of our heads for a reason: 'depth perception' you need it to fucking hunt, why would we need to hunt if we dont fucking eat meat? were goddamn apex predators of everywhere, yea sure that crocodile could kill you in one bite but you have ingenuity, you can build weapons to defeat anything. thats what makes us human, that and our complex emotions that every other species of human has not had, we survived because we were smart enough to use things to kill other things and use things from those things as other things for other things and to carry water when you cut out and clean the other things and the other things then need to be cleaned cause other things will be in there and other things smell nasty.

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Bubbles wrote:thats why i dont like animal rights activist groups that think hunting is bad and shit, most animals arent sentient, when a family member dies they really dont give a shit. they might be sad for a minute or two until it decides there are more important things as he was programmed to do so.

another thing, vegans are fucked, we have eyes on the front of our heads for a reason: 'depth perception' you need it to fucking hunt, why would we need to hunt if we dont fucking eat meat? were goddamn apex predators of everywhere, yea sure that crocodile could kill you in one bite but you have ingenuity, you can build weapons to defeat anything. thats what makes us human, that and our complex emotions that every other species of human has not had, we survived because we were smart enough to use things to kill other things and use things from those things as other things for other things and to carry water when you cut out and clean the other things and the other things then need to be cleaned cause other things will be in there and other things smell nasty.

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you think it shows a lack of sentiency for a creature to fail to show the staggering, consuming emotions that a human feels when someone close to them dies????? 'programmed to do'???? you think its a sign of something more advanced that a human will be sick, even take his or her own life, when they lose someone close to them, whereas a non human will be affected, initially, but then get the fuck on with life??? I see that as more advanced. Not inferior. I will leave this here, as I am drunk and when drunk, I am more emotive than reasonable, and I don't want to let my flames lit by others, burn here towards you bubble...because i like you!/
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I think all animals, all living creatures, have a LOT more brain power than most people realize. Animals are smart man. Animals think.
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agreed, blacky...they show more ability to acceot the Now, than the majority of humans...xo to all these reatrds who suggest we are the pinnacle of evolution, i say to them...go fuck yourselves...as i know mice more useful than you...i know cats more useful than you....and my workmate, who loves me like a son he never had, asked me recently./...'if you could choose...a million aussie humans dead, or your dog dead, what would you choose??'...i wouldnt even need to blink...
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