But this, of course, is ridiculous. We are a desultory and chaotic race and always will be. We are not all one, and never will be. We are disconnected from each other, and we made it so because we wanted it
that's exactly what i mean. i'm at work. i can't really go in a huge post. but that's my point
we got the game wrong.
we're suposed to be united to evolve. just like everything.
pkkupo wrote:
The best realistic chance we have at unification, redemption, and peace is for a radical tyrant to come along and judge people. That is, to commit mass global genocide. To spare only those whose morals are based on social truths and facts. To not be afraid to wipe out anyone who would oppose facts and social truths with blind belief and scripture. A righteous, arbitrary tyrant that is loved by the majority who will reclaim righteousness based on our one true human essence. Our strong, intrinsic desire to live free and happy among our brothers and sisters, right? lol
We have tried this... many times... and failed...
its up to the individual... the collective can only change with its parts changing...
and i dont think its a scripture, or adhering to a set of guidelines.
Its up to the individual to change their own parts slowly and in small steps in line with their beliefs,
in order to change the parts of the collective... but that takes us back to our original problem..
who decides whats righteous and moral? take four corners of the globe and i will bet you will find
conflict in the four differing answers//
^at work, but I have much to say about this post of yours, Scarf. Also, about your video Abby. Prepare.
Edit* Check it out.... I would first like to explain the idea of proper "morals" based on social truths that effect individual as well as widespread well being, because I think it is pure naivety to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs, and that all of them are valid. I say bullshit. There is such a thing as right and wrong and you all know it. Especially when it comes to the beliefs of people with political/judicial/military power. The problem is that it's become so taboo to voice opinions about the widespread lack of true social values in so many peoples belief codifications that good people no longer have the bollocks to stand up and call these idiots out on their blind faith and lack of moral dialectic thought process. In other words, nobody seems to stop and think about shit anymore as long as their are enough people to sympathize with who adhere to the same bullshit as they do.
To get an idea of what I'm talking about, I'll give a simple yet extreme example... Man number one says it would be a fantastic idea to throw molotov cocktails through the windows of a children's' hospital based on his subjective or traditional creed (because it doesn't really matter which, does it...) Man number two thinks that's a terrible idea and that they should instead donate $1,000 to the hospital. Would burning down the hospital be good for the community? Is man number one entitled to his own opinion? Fuck no. He's entitled to fuck off and die. Do muslim jihadists have the right to kill non-muslims indiscriminately because there are millions of them. 40 virgins my ass, get the fuck out of here... They're basic human cognition is so blatantly twisted it's mind-boggling that we still consider these people as though they are humans. Jahovas witnesses- are you serious? You're going to unify the universe through a god that requires you to take every word in the bible literally, and never celebrate anything. Ever. No drugs, no sex, no science. no natural animal pleasures. And they would call you a heathen and declare your condemnation to eternal damnation, good person or not. And their are MILLIONS of these people in this country alone. Are they entitled to their opinion? Fuck them, of course they're not.
Like Abbys video dude said, you have to take responsibility for the actions you take and the effect you have on on other people as a result. The problem is this demure, long-term twisted form of mob-mentality. So many people are weened bereft of everything necessary to become an independent, intelligent human. That's the real fucked up part. People can't help but hold on to all they ever knew. We desire security and empathy no matter who it's from and in what form.
I truly believe that through a long-term logical, and dialectic session with levelheaded people could result in a constitutional manifesto that would give new meaning to morality and provided that this manifesto was vehemently and mortally enforced, we could live in peace...
An absolutely ridiculous notion of course, but within the realm of possibilities nonetheless...
Like all dreamers, I mistook disenchantment for truth...
pkkupo wrote:^at work, but I have much to say about this post of yours, Scarf. Also, about your video Abby. Prepare.
Edit* Check it out.... I would first like to explain the idea of proper "morals" based on social truths that effect individual as well as widespread well being, because I think it is pure naivety to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs, and that all of them are valid. I say bullshit. There is such a thing as right and wrong and you all know it. Especially when it comes to the beliefs of people with political/judicial/military power. The problem is that it's become so taboo to voice opinions about the widespread lack of true social values in so many peoples belief codifications that good people no longer have the bollocks to stand up and call these idiots out on their blind faith and lack of moral dialectic thought process. In other words, nobody seems to stop and think about shit anymore as long as their are enough people to sympathize with who adhere to the same bullshit as they do.
To get an idea of what I'm talking about, I'll give a simple yet extreme example... Man number one says it would be a fantastic idea to throw molotov cocktails through the windows of a children's' hospital based on his subjective or traditional creed (because it doesn't really matter which, does it...) Man number two thinks that's a terrible idea and that they should instead donate $1,000 to the hospital. Would burning down the hospital be good for the community? Is man number one entitled to his own opinion? Fuck no. He's entitled to fuck off and die. Do muslim jihadists have the right to kill non-muslims indiscriminately because there are millions of them. 40 virgins my ass, get the fuck out of here... They're basic human cognition is so blatantly twisted it's mind-boggling that we still consider these people as though they are humans. Jahovas witnesses- are you serious? You're going to unify the universe through a god that requires you to take every word in the bible literally, and never celebrate anything. Ever. No drugs, no sex, no science. no natural animal pleasures. And they would call you a heathen and declare your condemnation to eternal damnation, good person or not. And their are MILLIONS of these people in this country alone. Are they entitled to their opinion? Fuck them, of course they're not.
Like Abbys video dude said, you have to take responsibility for the actions you take and the effect you have on on other people as a result. The problem is this demure, long-term twisted form of mob-mentality. So many people are weened bereft of everything necessary to become an independent, intelligent human. That's the real fucked up part. People can't help but hold on to all they ever knew. We desire security and empathy no matter who it's from and in what form.
I truly believe that through a long-term logical, and dialectic session with levelheaded people could result in a constitutional manifesto that would give new meaning to morality and provided that this manifesto was vehemently and mortally enforced, we could live in peace...
An absolutely ridiculous notion of course, but within the realm of possibilities nonetheless...
I would love to break this down and explain where all of your holes are to your theory, but to sum it up I'll say this..
The problem that is with this, is that it defies A NATURAL HUMAN BEHAVIORAL TRAIT, where we as humans who have a conscious mind that has the need for hope and security, along with so many different cultures that have waged wars for their morals didn't get anybody anywhere. You can not be forced to believe anything, because in the human nature of a person is to question things, that is what intelligence brings us to do.. We can take DIFFERENT understandings of situations and make a truth to it, but not EVERYONE IN THE WORLD can even remotely have the same perception as one another. Our species is too evolved with a consciousness that allows us to question and to have a MUCH more complex perception on life (compared to something like a rat) that restricts us from having a definitive right or wrong. Right or wrong in an opinion sense is not even possible. A right or wrong can be 2+2 = 4 where there is no other possibilities, but when there isn't a definitive type of answer, then it will never be right or wrong no matter how right it may seem..
If there is any plausibility of your thoery, it would have to be with something with a completely different species with a VERY simple understanding of things that has a restriction point in understanding things. When we understand things differently, we change our opinions.
A free radical is a cell missing electrons, so what does it do? To become stable, it takes or steals electrons from its neighbors, creating more free radicals. Without a stabilizing factor, all becomes chaos causing rapid aging, degeneration of tissue and higher susceptibility to disease.
There are too many of these so called "Free Radicals" in this world, men and powers who are unstable because of things they're missing. Things they think that they need, like money, fame, proliferation of arms, control over land and the human mind. Why do they need these things? That doesn't matter so much as what it's doing to everything else does. Why has this been let to go on for so long?
We are witnessing a culmination of history. Bush's presidency, 9/11, The Patriot Act, Gitmo, the "Liberation of the Arab people", Obama's "Historic Election", everything before and after has led up to everything we see now.
Pandora's box has been opened, so to speak (IMHO, anyway), but we cannot forget Hope. A hope that there are enough people out there who care to do something right. I may not be the smartest man in the world, but I believe that through advertising, television, celebrity, etc etc the big wigs really have pulled a curtain over most peoples eyes. So instead of focusing on what really matters...
This is all I can really say right now, I get muddled in my own thoughts sometimes.
Just don't lose hope, and do all you can to spread the ideas you hold true in your own hearts.
We can sit here and discuss it all day long, but is it really going to do a thing? Next person you see on the street, just say hi to them and see what happens. See someone having trouble with something? Offer to help them. Does it really matter if you know them, or if you've not liked them for a long time for reasons perhaps you should have long forgotten?
On the same token, if you see something is going wrong...find a way to do something about it, or do your best to speak your mind on it publicly. Yeah, you'll get looked at by some people, criticized, etc, but you never know who's just waiting for someone to speak up. Be the one to speak up, and say something.
pkkupo wrote:^at work, but I have much to say about this post of yours, Scarf. Also, about your video Abby. Prepare.
Edit* Check it out.... I would first like to explain the idea of proper "morals" based on social truths that effect individual as well as widespread well being, because I think it is pure naivety to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs, and that all of them are valid. I say bullshit. There is such a thing as right and wrong and you all know it. Especially when it comes to the beliefs of people with political/judicial/military power. The problem is that it's become so taboo to voice opinions about the widespread lack of true social values in so many peoples belief codifications that good people no longer have the bollocks to stand up and call these idiots out on their blind faith and lack of moral dialectic thought process. In other words, nobody seems to stop and think about shit anymore as long as their are enough people to sympathize with who adhere to the same bullshit as they do.
To get an idea of what I'm talking about, I'll give a simple yet extreme example... Man number one says it would be a fantastic idea to throw molotov cocktails through the windows of a children's' hospital based on his subjective or traditional creed (because it doesn't really matter which, does it...) Man number two thinks that's a terrible idea and that they should instead donate $1,000 to the hospital. Would burning down the hospital be good for the community? Is man number one entitled to his own opinion? Fuck no. He's entitled to fuck off and die. Do muslim jihadists have the right to kill non-muslims indiscriminately because there are millions of them. 40 virgins my ass, get the fuck out of here... They're basic human cognition is so blatantly twisted it's mind-boggling that we still consider these people as though they are humans. Jahovas witnesses- are you serious? You're going to unify the universe through a god that requires you to take every word in the bible literally, and never celebrate anything. Ever. No drugs, no sex, no science. no natural animal pleasures. And they would call you a heathen and declare your condemnation to eternal damnation, good person or not. And their are MILLIONS of these people in this country alone. Are they entitled to their opinion? Fuck them, of course they're not.
Like Abbys video dude said, you have to take responsibility for the actions you take and the effect you have on on other people as a result. The problem is this demure, long-term twisted form of mob-mentality. So many people are weened bereft of everything necessary to become an independent, intelligent human. That's the real fucked up part. People can't help but hold on to all they ever knew. We desire security and empathy no matter who it's from and in what form.
I truly believe that through a long-term logical, and dialectic session with levelheaded people could result in a constitutional manifesto that would give new meaning to morality and provided that this manifesto was vehemently and mortally enforced, we could live in peace...
An absolutely ridiculous notion of course, but within the realm of possibilities nonetheless...
I would love to break this down and explain where all of your holes are to your theory, but to sum it up I'll say this..
The problem that is with this, is that it defies A NATURAL HUMAN BEHAVIORAL TRAIT, where we as humans who have a conscious mind that has the need for hope and security, along with so many different cultures that have waged wars for their morals didn't get anybody anywhere. You can not be forced to believe anything, because in the human nature of a person is to question things, that is what intelligence brings us to do.. We can take DIFFERENT understandings of situations and make a truth to it, but not EVERYONE IN THE WORLD can even remotely have the same perception as one another. Our species is too evolved with a consciousness that allows us to question and to have a MUCH more complex perception on life (compared to something like a rat) that restricts us from having a definitive right or wrong. Right or wrong in an opinion sense is not even possible. A right or wrong can be 2+2 = 4 where there is no other possibilities, but when there isn't a definitive type of answer, then it will never be right or wrong no matter how right it may seem..
If there is any plausibility of your thoery, it would have to be with something with a completely different species with a VERY simple understanding of things that has a restriction point in understanding things. When we understand things differently, we change our opinions.
Nevermind, dude. You misunderstood my rhetoric and essence of my argument entirely... Probably due to my lack of perspicuous typing, due to the fact that I'd rather not type for the hours it would take to get my point across properly. I'm just gonna let this one be.
Like all dreamers, I mistook disenchantment for truth...
