sexual assault

[SpRi7e]

yea but the thing is..she's NOT inoccent, she is pretty much KILLING other people just so she could have sex because she didn't want to tell them? She's a selfish cunt who doesn't deserve life if she is taking it away from other people. Why would I want to spend my hard earned money on keeping a serial killer alive? And if you think about this, can you imagine being told by a doctor that you have HIV because some stupid asshole wouldn't tell you and you had no idea.

Better society wouldn't be by keeping people alive by wasting OUR money and they don't have to face any real threats in their life because they are kept safe in a jail cell from other people. Why would someone DESERVE to keep their life by fucking other people's lives up through chemical warfare (like what Rory said) and I'd have to 100% agree with Rory on this one about everything he said.

I'd understand if they aren't sure if the person is guilty then you would keep them in prison for a life sentence, but if they are 100% guilty of a crime of giving people a deadly disease and fucking up their lives over because they didn't tell them, they deserve to be either tortured to a death by making them starve to death and not give them water. Then they would see how it feels like to slowly die because of someone else.

[Rory]

Ikku, I know death row costs money, and I know that it isnt a humane death. Which is why I said Ithink they should all just be shot like pigs, through the skull. Upon conviction. Cheap, painless, fitting. they deserve death. you seem to be trying to make me sympathise with them, Ikku. To see things through the eyes of a death row inmate. Well I can never do that since I am not some twisted fuck who kills and rapes for personal pleasure. Wait untill someone you know gets raped or killed or tortured. then say no to the death sentence.

It's not a deterent for crime Ikku but neither is a comfy cell with a blanket and meals and securty guards watching over you all day, excersize, all that. they dont deserve it. People who want to chop of ladies heads a fuck their necks don't think "ooou but what if I go to jail. Well Im going to supress my sexually sadistic urges for the rest of my life and slowly succumb to blueballs and insanity". thats not how it works. if EVERYONE got the death sentence for EVERY crime there would still be that kind of crime. the sick kind of crime. Sick criminals need to be dealth with quickly and efficiently because they have nothing to offer society and they're a drain on the system whn they sit around in jail all their lives. enough said.

[Ikku]

you seem to be trying to make me sympathise with them, Ikku. To see things through the eyes of a death row inmate. Well I can never do that since I am not some twisted fuck who kills and rapes for personal pleasure.

You seem to think that everyone sentenced to death is like this. But people commit crimes for reasons other than being crazy fucked up psychos, and the crazy fucked up psychos are people who didn't have much choice in the matter. No one chooses to be fucked up in the head, it arises from circumstance. You can say they had their chance at life and they blew it but maybe they never had a chance at all.

As someone who isn't religious, you of all people should be empathetic, you should be rational. You should understand that people don't commit murder out of god given free will but out of circumstance, if they're afraid or if they're crazy, but no one freely chooses to be a psychopath. And as someone who isn't religious, I would expect you of all people to realize that taking someone's life is the end, it's an execution, they're done for. There's nothing afterward to make up for it for anyone, how can you decide to destroy someone's existence, even if they are a murderer?

I used to be religious and I fully supported the death penalty, but as I stopped being religious, I stopped being conservative, and I think it is because I became more interested in ethics and humanity. Do you not even read your own posts? "Doesn't deserve life", "tortured to death", "shot like pigs", etc. It sounds like madness. Now Rory I know you didn't say you wanted them tortured, you wanted a cheap painless death and I think that's much better than starving criminals, but to me death is still death. It's the final sentence and I don't think we're entitled to write that for anyone, even if they ended someone else's life. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[SpRi7e]

so your pretty much saying that most people who kill people should be pitied when it's THEIR fault for taking a life of another person or raping them. They know the consequences and they still do it. I don't get why someone who takes someones life or even more than one life should be pitied because of the circumstance, no one should be allowed to stay alive in a jail cell kept safe from other people when they committed the worst of all crimes. If a person kills someone, he not only kills them, but he can destroy a whole family and make them depressed for most of their life, and then that family and everyone else has to help keep them Alive? If you give pity to a person saying it's not their fault for killing someone and ruining a family, just think about it.

Man1 kills Man2, then that creates Man2's family depressed from losing a loved one, then Man1 gets to go in jail and live the rest of his life in a jail with NO worries whatsoever.

[Ikku]

Everyone keeps talking about jail as if it were a picnic. Have you ever been to jail? Spend the night in jail and come back to tell me you'd like to live the next 20+ years in there. It's still a punishment, it still keeps them from committing more crime, and it doesn't sink to their level. You call murder the worst of all crimes yet you condone its use against murderers. Great logic.

[Rory]

Frankly, I care more about safe roads and education and job training more than the lives of dangerous criminals. Call me brutal if you want but I really do not give a fuck if some murderer dies. The money that was being spent keeping him alive would go to better use and that for me is good enough reason to re-instate the death penalty. I'm not saying that evryone who commits murder should be put to death, Ikku, that would be ridiculous. Obviously if someone is in a desperate enough situation and it's a kill or be killed situation som leniancy should be granted, but as for the whackjobs who kill for their own pleasure, who rape children, who run around my area shooting eachother over fucking crack cocaine, they deserve death. Like I keep saying. They have nothing to contribute. They're a drain on the economy. Just fuckin shoot them. And as for it being the end, so what? They deserve that. I mean fuck, one could argue that it's a better sentence than being put in jail for the rest of your life. They get a last prayer if theyre religious, any meal they want, forgiven by god for their sins bla bla bla whatever. Really wha im trying to say is that I dont care about them because theyre sick monsters so I dont care if their life ends abrubtly against their own will. If theyre willing to dish that out to others than they should be willing to have it happen to themselves. Thats my opinion and it's not going to change.

[SpRi7e]

I can keep arguing about this but instead of typing i'll just quote rory on everything he says to save my breath.

[Bear]

well lets put it this way... are you the lord of the universe, if you dont believe in god. Do you decide if someone shall live or die? hell no man, you have no right rory.

Look, those guys wanted an easy shag, they got what they fuckin deserved. You lay with dogs, you get flease i was always told. maybe they should have respect women more and actually got to know them before having sex with them.

concluding, they got what they deserved as well as her.

i wouldnt call it natural selection, but moral/natural selection.

they were immoral so they got fucked... and not in a good way. They fuck with an easy girl, they get fucked by dying, maybe the 'gentlemen' would be an example for all those who are thinking of an easy shag, see what you get why not. I wont have ANY sympathy for you.

Sorry im contradicting myself on my previous posts in this very topic, but ive thought and learned alot more.

[lostinnerspace]

Are you SERIOUSLY saying that because they didnt follow your personal approved rules of courtship, because, SHOCKINGLY, some women like to go out and whore around as much as men generally do, (ergo, the reason men act this way, because NOT EVERYONE IS AS PRUDISH AS YOU) that they deserve do die from AIDS?


Are you the lord of the universe? Do you think these men, that you know nothing about, deserved to have been murdered? its not manslaughter, she knew, and she didnt give a shit.

Death penalty is barbaric, it is murder, but not advancing and maintaining society at the expense of keeping these people alive is barbaric to greater society.

[Ikku]

^Women are naturally more coy than men. I could go on and on about the evolution of sex and gender differences, but I don't think I need to. There are promiscuous women, but far more promiscuous men.

And it doesn't matter whether the men deserved to have been murdered, that's entirely irrelevant. What's relevant is the murder of the perpetrator by the state, which is just as wrong and unjust as the murders she herself committed. And trust me, the death penalty does not advance society. That's such bullshit.

[lostinnerspace]

to say women are naturally more coy than men without citing proof is unjustified claptrap. Some of my best girly mates have gone out and tried to see how much they can outdo each other, by seeing who can snog the most blokes in one night. I dont know what level of society you people are from, but down here on the common ground, young people just want to have fun, you miserable old trouts.


If you're going to throw a statement at me with nothing other than "thats such bullshit" to back it, at me, because you cant justify your points beyond "thats mean and i dont like it" then get the fuck off the internet, because you know what barbie, theres lots of people with different opinions out there, and some of them, hate you, already, for your weak views. yes. thats right, without even knowing you, someone hates you because of that view. i dont, i nothing you. but thats neither here nor there. weak arse liberal views like that, blegh. I'm generally liberal, cept when it comes to the sickest and most primal of all crimes.

mere prison doesnt make an example of anyone at all, cos you know what? you still get to be alive and wank off thinking about the vile things you've done. You get to be alive and have a chance at seeking pleasure, whilst the victim will never have that chance ever again. what you are missing out on, is that in general, murderers LIKE killing people. Makes them feel powerful.

murderers arent people, they are people that give in to primal urges, and are therefore animals.

if your village was getting terrorised by komodo dragons, would you let it eat your family, just hand over your baby cousin straight into its mouth? or perhaps you'd stand by, hitting it on the nose with a rolled up newspaper saying "bad boy spike, bad boy, awww did you do that again, arent you naughty"? you would wouldnt you.

whats my point? you cant keep animals in cages, and you cant let them live if they attack you. tho i guess you would just let the noble lion eat you, just cos they are so much better than you.

the death penalty can be societies self defence against those who deserve it the most. imo its abused in some eastern countries but that doesnt mean the whole concept is wrong.
i know full well that if anyone raped or murdered a member of my family, i'd want to chop them to pieces whilst they are still alive, using sandpaper on the stumps of their legs, taking millimetres off them every day, shitting in their mouths and making them swallow. I would become completley unhinged at the thought of this person being kept alive by society, whilst theres people who havent done anything wrong, starving on our streets. the moneys not being used to help them, its being used to give some psycho the chance to find out how many times he can wank an hour.

the chair or the needle is far kinder to all concerned.
consider the feelings of the families of the victims, no?


tbh, i dont like the idea of state appointed murder, but my ideal solution will never happen. it is one someone mentioned earlier. all these animals should be left on an island and left to do each other in.

[Ikku]

to say women are naturally more coy than men without citing proof is unjustified claptrap. Some of my best girly mates have gone out and tried to see how much they can outdo each other, by seeing who can snog the most blokes in one night. I dont know what level of society you people are from, but down here on the common ground, young people just want to have fun, you miserable old trouts.

Wow. Nice job being civil. Honestly if you want to learn about it read The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, or read Darwin's book on human evolution. The reason monogamy exists in society is purely biology, we are animals after all. We don't do things for no reason. I never said that women can't be promiscuous, not at all, I realize that plenty of them are. But biologically, women invest more in reproduction than men (a man can get away with a quick fling and leave a female pregnant) and in order to make up for that, they make the male invest a lot in her before she even lets him do what he wants. This is terribly off topic, gah.

because you know what barbie, theres lots of people with different opinions out there, and some of them, hate you, already, for your weak views. yes. thats right, without even knowing you, someone hates you because of that view. i dont, i nothing you. but thats neither here nor there. weak arse liberal views like that, blegh. I'm generally liberal, cept when it comes to the sickest and most primal of all crimes.

Such a nice guy. I don't think anyone hates me because of this, and if they do, they're mad. Disagreeing with someone is no reason to hate them.

what you are missing out on, is that in general, murderers LIKE killing people. Makes them feel powerful.

What? How do you even know that? How do you know that most murderers don't kill because of rushes of emotion, be it fear, anger, love, hate, or whatever? To say that your average murderer likes to kill someone without backing it up, and you accuse me of pulling stuff out of my ass?

murderers arent people, they are people that give in to primal urges, and are therefore animals.

...and you're not an animal? You don't have instincts, emotions, etc?

i know full well that if anyone raped or murdered a member of my family, i'd want to chop them to pieces whilst they are still alive, using sandpaper on the stumps of their legs, taking millimetres off them every day, shitting in their mouths and making them swallow. I would become completley unhinged at the thought of this person being kept alive by society,

Alright, you go ahead and do that. You'll end up in jail for it, because murder is after all illegal. It's only legal if the government does it.

whilst theres people who havent done anything wrong, starving on our streets. the moneys not being used to help them, its being used to give some psycho the chance to find out how many times he can wank an hour.

The reason I said this is just bullshit earlier I thought was obvious. But really if you think we just started killing prisoners that the government would start helping people? Whatever kind of money we save, which could possibly be a nice bit, would just suddenly go to charity and to the betterment of society? You sure it won't go to corporations, government officials, and the military?

[bobdole]

I dont like the idea of the goverment controlling capitol punishment and deciding when people should live or die. Alot of crimanals do deserve to die but that should be the decision of the family of the victim not the goverment.

[Dakine]

remember that the possibility of the death penalty being carried out would also act as a psychological deterrant to potential criminals.

[Ikku]

That's never stopped anyone from killing someone. People kill people when they think they can get away with it, without even going to prison. The fact that there are so many executions should be enough to show that as a deterrent, it's completely ineffective. There's no evidence to support that the death penalty lowers crime rates.