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my advice on mushrooms

Post by Kegan »

i've seen a lot of questions about magic mushrooms and i'd like to give my opinion and advice on the subject.

mushrooms aren't to be used like bud or alcohol to get "fucked up" they are a respected phycological tool that will open the doors to your mind. if there's anything in there you don't want out then don't take them as you will never be able to close these "doors" again. if you have any mind disorders like split personalities or such, then DO NOT eat magic mushrooms as they will probably perminently magnify the problem. don't let this scare you though! if you're comfortable with who and where you are then mushrooms will enlighten you and teach you valuable insight about yourself and life in general.

the only effects i've heard of that last beyond the trip aren't at all bad and may include a greater appreciation for nature, life, music, or art. personally i usually have an enhanced sense of movement for a week or two after i trip, meaning i may be walking through the park which i visit more often and notice bugs flying in the distance that i wouldn't have taken notice to before.

for the actual trip: plan, plan, plan! deciding to take mushrooms at the last minute with little knowledge is a sure-fire way to have a bad trip. know how much you will eat and make sure you have atleast 8 hours from the time you eat them to trip in peace (average 6 hour trip after about an hour at most to kick in. one hour to unwind and reflect). unplug the phone, lock all the doors (even though you'll probably check the locks a few times), and make sure you'll have abolutely no responsibilities for the day/night. it's a good idea to trip with a close friend, even if they're on mushrooms too, incase anything goes wrong. there's no need to plan activities as you'll probably just wander around doing whatever you want, but it's good to have in mind some things you'd want to do, like going outside, listening to music, ect.

organise everything you'll need for the trip ahead of time. everyone has diffent likes and dislikes when experiencing shrooms and often these are different from what you usually like or dislike. have a few different types of music clearly labeled and organised (almost impossible to look thru tons of cds while tripping) before the experience. have your computer on (maybe not with your instant messager on) and the tv remote in clear sight, ect. in other words, make it so you have access to easily doing whatever you want, or nothing at all. comfort is key.

the day of the trip: get plenty of sleep the night/day before since you won't feel the need for sleep while tripping and mainly because you'll be in a better mood when well rested. *mood is extreamly important on mushrooms and can easily change* (one time i was crying and laughing at the same time). eat a light meal of fruits and vegetables (you'll probably want to stay away from cheese or too much dairy) about 2-3 hours before so you have the energy but your stomach is empty enough to get the most effect from the mushrooms.
it's a good idea to eat a small snack every few hours during the trip if you want to keep you blood sugar up (the only bad trip i've had was for a few minutes comming down off the mushrooms. i hadn't eaten for most of the day and i got into a hot shower. my blood vessels widened from the heat and my blood sugar crashed, making me feel faint and sending me, in my current state, into an uncontrollable panic until i met the hard floor) but you likely won't have the slightest desire to eat while tripping and might even not like it. most people won't need to eat during the trip but it's up to you. just have snacks avaliable.

now to the best part, the actually trip: when you eat the mushrooms, the most effective way is to chew, suck the juices, chew more, suck the juices, ect. but some people don't like the taste and may decide to eat them with food or just plug their nose to eat them. whatever gets them into your stomach is up to you. after you eat them, you'll start to feel the effects after about 10-80 minutes, average is about 45 but i personally start to feel them after about an hour. while you're waiting for them to kick in, it's best to avoid too much activity, like running or jumping hurtles or something stupid (shouldn't be a problem, right?). *marijuana smoked during the trip is safe and will intensify it and if smoked while the effects are wearing down it will make the mushroom trip seem longer, but DO NOT drink alcohol with magic mushrooms! alcohol will cancel the effects and you won't trip or get drunk. it will be a waste* you might feel a little strange in your stomach or maybe even sick. if you really have to throw up then just do it, don't try to keep the mushrooms in your stomach if they don't want to stay.
Now they've kicked in. if you don't know yet what it's like i'd recommend reading some experiences (www.erowid.com is a god of a site). i wouldn't recommend reading the bad experiences as these might trigger bad trips from thinking of them while tripping. but you can read them if you really insist on knowing what hell is like. enough about bad trips though, seeing as how you're not going to have one, right? right. the good effects are almost impossible to explain without drowning you in metaphors but i guess i can try. your ego is destroyed, meaning you have no body, no mind, you don't exist. you are one with the universe and everything is incredibly interesting. you could examine at a crumb of bread for an hour before noticing your hand and thinking "what the hell? what's this hand doing here?" then it moves "my god, i can move it with my mind. have i had these powers all along?" Sometimes i speak spanish or french but i've never looked up what i'm saying to see if it really makes sense and i can't remember most things after the trip, especially at high doses. now would be a good time to get comfortable, put on some ambient music (soft background music) and let your imagination carry you away. at these high doses you can travel to entirely different places in your mind. you may walk around an ancient temple for hours then open your eyes to see you've only been sitting there for 10 minutes. the experience is entirely different for everyone, everytime they do them. every time i've done mushrooms, i've come out of it feeling better about myself and feeling enlightened and educated about the nature of life.

after the trip: not much to say now. just relax and think about what you saw and experienced. you're most likely either struck speechless by your journey or talking nonstop with the friend you tripped with, sharing what happened to each of you. if you go to sleep as you're comming down off the mushrooms then you'll most likely wake up feeling like a million bucks.

mushrooms aren't for everyone, but if you want to know what it is to truely bend reality around your pinky and soar with the birds through the ocean of infinite time, than go for it. if you eat enough you probably won't remember most details so you may want to use a journal or tape recorder to record your thoughts.

i'd highly recommend starting at low doses and working your way up. if you've never done mushrooms before it would be extreamly stupid to eat enough for a powerful trip and you may never come back from. mushrooms are much like LSD but are, in my opinion, better because they give you more of an "unhooked", free, or natural feeling feeling. they're also not as intense and last about half as long. LSD was actually created by scientist synethising phycolbin (the active ingredient in shrooms) so the real stuff is usually better.

I didn't get into the chemistry of any of this or how to grow or find them, ect but i hope this helps you decide if you're the type of person who would like to do mushrooms, or if you've tried them before and had a bad experience, i hope by following my advice you can use them wisely and have a great time. i appologise for any grammical errors or spelling problems and i know i used horrible capitalization and punctuation but who cares? one more thing, that's not really my picture down there so you can trust me. :wink:
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Did you copy and paste this from somewhere?
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no, i just have a lot of free time... some of the things i paraphrased from various links on erowid.com. a few more points i'd like to make:
- music is highly recommended. listen to music that you don't usually listen to like maybe techno or monks chanting.
-be in a familiar and comfortable environment like your hourse or a friend's house.
-if you're having trouble getting visuals then try looking at large patterns or better yet look at a lawn of grass. even if i've just eaten a little bit of mushrooms, it alwasy looks like the grass is growing and spreading.
-take a long hot shower before you eat the mushrooms. your mind could exadurate a little sweat to make you feel all slimey and grimey, but mainly it's to ensure your good, fit mood throughout the trip.
-don't take mushrooms if you're feeling sick or depressed

if i think of anything else i'll post it. or if you have any questions just post them here and i'll answer them or find the answer for you.
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I wouldnt actually be slamming him man. He put up a lot of useful information and if he did do this byt hand it took him some time. Hes just trying to help people out so give the guy a little slack
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Good post, man. A lot of good information. Could possibly be a sticky.
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actually it only took me about an hour to type. maybe that's a long time for some people. i guess it took me a while to learn how to type fast... so sure, i'll get a life :roll:

if anyone has any advice or experiences you learned from please post them. i doubt it's because of the shrooms but ever since I quit smoking a week or two ago to get a new job I've been having really vivid and strange dreams. but you can be assured that the day i pass the drug test and get the job i'll be rolling a fatty spliff :D
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very well put kegan...happy thanksgiving
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wow thats the best i've ever heard anyone explain the magic of the mushroom experience. this should definitley be a sticky. oh yeah and im pretty sure that LSD was synthesized from ergot and not psylocybin. do you have any information on that? besides that, very good job (Y)
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I looked it up and Tokin42 is right. LSD was synethised from ergot alkoids that grow parasitically on rye bread, but I'm not too good with the chemistry aspet of it all. Thank you for the correction, Tokin42.

Here's some more info:
-Psyclobin mushrooms were used by Aztec civilizations for thousands of years for religious ceremonies until Cortez brought over European influence and all intoxicans (other than alcohol) were shunned.
-All parts of the mushroom contain psyclobin (stem, cap, ect) except for the spores, but the spores are microscopic and don't really matter unless you're growing them.
-The two major ingredients in magic mushrooms are psyclobin and psyclocin. Psyclobin gives you the mind high, while psyclocin is of lower content and gives you a slight body high. (Not possitive on this information so if someone could confirm it for me I'd appreciate it.)
-MAO Inhibitors will drastically increase the effects of mushrooms. This may be desireable but unless you've done research on it and understand how to measure out a proper dose with MAOI use, than please don't combine them.
-Psyclobin will build up a tolerance after a while so if you have two trips within a day or two of eachother the second trip will be slightly less effective. If you were to do mushrooms everyday than eventually you probably won't get any effects. It's best to have a mushroom trip once a month at most. Although two trips in the same month would probably be just as effective if you hadn't eaten them for a few months before.
-Magic mushrooms are not physically or mentally addictive. Some people even find they have less of a desire to do them for a week or so after a trip. Personally, I have an addictive personallity so I usually want to do more once my trip ends (because everything's gone back to boring old reality) but after an hour or two I'm back to my regular self and don't really feel the need to do more.

I'm glad you all enjoy this guide and I hope lots of people find it helpful. If you haven't visited erowid.com yet than what's wrong with you? If you liked my guide and want more indepth information, click on http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml and see where I got most of it from.
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trailer_trash wrote:get a life
stfu you stupid shit. most people on this forum are dumb fucks nowdays but this guy knows what hes talking about, can articulate it, and actually says something.
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Hey man, I've only done shrooms twice now and on my second time i had a really horrible trip. I had 3 grams i think which I've heard isnt much but it blew me away. I want to know what i can do to avoid a horrible event like the one im about to talk about.
First off i want to know if the things before i did before i ate them had anything to do with it. I smoked like two bowls and then went on to eat a whole apple pie. One of my friends said that could have been what caused the trauma.
Ok, so the stuff is on the table and im watching fear and loathing. I start chomping away and then like 10 minutes later I look up at the roof and the bumpyness starts twirling. Then the roof broke apart and in the cracks i saw mcdonalds symbols all over the place and i was convinced that that was what the world was made up of. after being horrified for a bit, I came back down for a little, and saw my friend mark and said this is horrible.
Then i went back into a different world and was convinced that I had gone to hell. not fiery hell, just a bad place, like i was stuck living in my friends apartment to roam around for all eternity. I thought that the purpose of my life was to choose whether or not i would eat shrooms and i chose wrong. I wasn't a particulary relgious guy beforehand and i think it has changed my beliefs on the topic of whether there is a god or not, thats a different story.
I can't remember anything else after that, except leaving to go to a park.
Oh yeah. and then when we came back up to the apartment, my friend marks face was blurry but no one else's was.
Yeah so thats basically it, but lately i keep getting these anxiety attacks, where i don't think logically and find almost everything scary. Another thing thats been happening lately is i keep seeing this light in front my of me thats not really there. maybe i was staring a light bulb for too long or something.
but any help you can give me so i can enjoy it next time would be much appreciated.
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you gotta beat it with your head...and not watch fear and loathing while your tripping...that probably did

i saw part of dawn of the dead when i was shroomed out, it made me crazy but you gotta beat it with your thought process
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i did shrooms the other week but i took a fair bit more than the other people since they were all doing it their first time and i wasn't. They had all finished tripping and i still felt pretty fucked really, and that made me start feeling a bit bad, sort of uneasy, feeling kind of alone. Plus they were watching tv and that film Quills was on about the marquis de sade and that also didn't help things, it was kind of freaking me out
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I'm glad you all enjoy my guide and find it useful.
Ryan, it could have been anything or any combination of things that turned your trip sour. Watching Fear and Loathing might have done it or you might not be completely comfortable around Mark. It could have been the addition of bud but I'd think the stone would wear down by the time the shrooms kicked in. I doubt the apple pie did it becuase if anything it would absorb the psyclobin and make your trip less intense.
That's the best guess I could give if it was 3 grams of fresh mushrooms you ate, but if they were dried then it was probably too high of a dose. I'd recommend your first trip on dry mushrooms to be a gram at the most then slowly work your way up. If you had 3 grams of dried mushrooms on your second trip then I'd say that was the #1 reason. I'd stay under 2 grams for your first 5 or so trips, or until you feel comfortable enough with the effects to move to a higher dosage. Some people who have eaten mushrooms a lot can down 8-10 grams and have a great trip, though they don't remember much of it. Maybe it was someone with a higher tolerance that told you 3 grams wasn't very much.
If the mushrooms were fresh, then it could have just been bad luck. Sometimes you can plan out everything down to the perfect detail and still have a trip go bad. All the advice in my guide is given to help lessen the chance of a bad trip, but one is always possible. Just like you can do the opposite of everything I say and have an awesome trip, it's just much less likely.
That was an excelent description you gave of your experience. When on mushrooms, your perception of reality often changes. You could 'discover' that all matter is made up of McDonald arches or that the building you're in is all that exists in the universe like you said. You might think that you're shrinking or that others are laughing at you. The air around you might turn into water or small, everyday objects could turn into massive obstacles. These symptoms are sometimes good but when they are unexpected they can cause panic. I've heard of people on LSD seeing distortions in other's faces so I would assume the same happens on mushrooms, though I've never personally seen it. That's probably why your friend's face was blurry afterwards.
Hopefully if you decide to try mushrooms again you'll have a better experience. You could try taking less of a dose or the same dose if you feel you know what to expect now. I hope this helps. Good luck
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