Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:36 am
i have tried to keep out of this thread for a number of reasons.
I dont like violence, in fact i do whatver i can to avoid it, even to the point where if reccounted some of my own stories f run-ins with dickheads, im sure if people werent afraid to get banned they would call me a weakling.
however after going through a few episodes with my lady of the punches i have been so callously given throughout my life in the UK, i feeli should add aline or two.
It is hard tio understand what it is like in some areas of the Uk unless you have lived there yourself. to say crazy europeans is understandabale for people who havent been to the areas of which i speak.
i have never been to fire's area but i have livedi n very similar places.
it does seem kinda silly for americans to cal the situatio crazy when they have what the highest amiount of murders in the world for a country??that may be wrong, but neway.
canada on the otehr hand has always seemed so uch more peaceful, starngely peaceful, considering its proximity to the US. i think its got much more to do with the governments who have been inpower.
on the other hand, american soil was stolen (like here in australia) from the natives by savage force as was most of south america, and i thought also canda was based in european origins given they speak english and french???
neway back to this uk business.
the police in the Ukis shit, like fucking uselesss. out of the time si have been in trouble myself, the pilice have never done nething at all.
even when i as like 13 years old, and i was chased up the road by a gang of about 10 people with sticks and stuff, who were all 17 18 or 19 or more, then they cornered me and beat me up, why? cos they could. its as simple as that. at tha age i was very upset, it hurt me emitonally and physcially, been knjocked about my a 18 year old man when you are 13 isnt great.
my mother told the coppers, they did nothing.
the police in my town closed at 8pm every night. given that this town has one of the hgihest amount of pubs per mile sq in the country, and terible unemployment, it is no surprise to learn tha basicaly the dcikheads could do what the fuck they wanted. the only way to surivive really was to know people, even if you were ough as nails, on your own you could not beat up the dickheads every day of your life in the town.
i was kinda lucky in a way, cos if it wasnt for the people i knew then the little beatings i got would have ben far worse.
only once would i say i honestly thought someone would kill me, some mad fucking skinhead neonazi who was running towards me with a lump of wood filled wit nails saying he was gunna kill me, again i hadnt done nething t him at all. just another fucked up townie on too much drugs.
anyway the most recent story that i can relate tothis isuee is that of my mate gaving. he was walking up the road with his mate sam, when a car drove by and threw bottle at them, it missed, but my mate shouted out 'what the fuck was that for'
the car tuirned around and zoomed back. 5 guys got out, and kinda spread out bit, 2 went onto the little guiy who was with gav, and 2 started pushing gaving around ';saying 'whats your fuckig problem'
he undesrtanaBLY REPSONDED 'you threw fucking bottle at us for no reason, why?'
while he was arguing with this big guy, one nasty little cunt has gone round the back in the drakness, hecame out of nowehre and smashed a wine bottle as hard as he could over the sideof gavins face. his jaw shattered into lots of pieces instantly and there was blood everywhere, the force of the blow knocked him ovr the wall. still he got up, cos his mate was getting beaten up, and he got hold of one f these foes and broke his face, then they all got back intheri car and drove off. he didnt get the number plate in the confusion.
now when i heard about this from another ofmy mates was sickened but not surprised as it happens almost daily in uk maybe hourly if you had cameras in every town.
i heard that gav had got straight onto a mate of his who had a car, and had gone searchjing for these guys to no avail,. no i they would have found them, i hoenstly think they would have killed these people. like put them in the ground if not tortured them.
now on one hand i feel torure and revenge like taht is wonrg, but on anotehr hand these guys wee drivign round attacking people savagely just cos they could and cos they got no fear of police. so how can justice be done?
i the end i changed my'welli dont agree with that kinda game, i dont want him getting more hurt or ending up injail' to 'well i gues i can understand.'
brighton isnt the nices place in the world and some areas are worse than others, but there are worse places al over the country. faversham, where i grew up was nasty. also livign ilongsight macnhester fotr a whikle was kinda interesting, gunshots all over he place stabings etc.
what i am saying is that unless you have lived in these places you cant realy have ne accurate idea of how baldy policed they are and how easy it is and commo for truly nasty evul fuckers to go round in gangs and just attack people no just hit them but like preoperly hurt them or kll them.
it does happen petty mcuh all the timein ukunles you live ina a unusuualy nice area.
so it boils down to a a sense of justice. if you say that hitler had to be confronted cos his actions were unjust, why dont other people have to be confronted who are unjust also in theri actions?it comes down to taking away someones liberty.
fire despite what i have written, due to thet fact that i like yo and respect you as am ate, i really hope that you can sort this tituaion out with aslittle nmore violence as possible. i hate hearing aboput more people i like who get hurt.
though as i have said, i can relate very easily to the situation. and non british people cant.
but yeh am i really tha mistaken to think that candians came from europeans also???they just been more fortunate and informed with their choci of governments perhasp. neway that a different debate entriely, maybe one i need to work through to get my history in order!!!
the less violence in this world thebetter. but aline must be drawn somewhere. if there si no police to deliver even a semblence of justice then what is the othr option?allow people to do what the fuck they want and get away with it, and just leave it to an idea of karma that they will get their just desserts soon enough?this oneo f th erasons i dont agree with the idea of karma 100% cos i met far too many truly nasty fuckers in the Uk who contiually act evil and get away with and it revel in it.......
the uk has some very severe problems with unpunished savage crimes. you nmust make a distinction between wrong and right, whilst undesratnding the environemnt, the situaion and the people and also an idea of justice.
what about if you were waling down the road and you saw a big guy rapin a woman. would you try reason with him???would ou walk on by???wopuld you call the cops and wait for hours for them to turn up while seing the poor woman get raped???i think we would all do something more than that.
its a wicked attitude to take like violence is always bad, but if violence was never used for good causes(im not saying fires is a good cause neccisarily i saying in general) then the world would be run by germans, so would that be preferable. or is it amttero fnumbers to some of us??liek if its jusa few people involved then its not as important as a few countries involved?
i stick to my original ideal tho, of violence been best to use only in times when survival is at stake or when another human or animal has its liberty taken away from it curelly by anotherlife form for evil reasons....
I dont like violence, in fact i do whatver i can to avoid it, even to the point where if reccounted some of my own stories f run-ins with dickheads, im sure if people werent afraid to get banned they would call me a weakling.
however after going through a few episodes with my lady of the punches i have been so callously given throughout my life in the UK, i feeli should add aline or two.
It is hard tio understand what it is like in some areas of the Uk unless you have lived there yourself. to say crazy europeans is understandabale for people who havent been to the areas of which i speak.
i have never been to fire's area but i have livedi n very similar places.
it does seem kinda silly for americans to cal the situatio crazy when they have what the highest amiount of murders in the world for a country??that may be wrong, but neway.
canada on the otehr hand has always seemed so uch more peaceful, starngely peaceful, considering its proximity to the US. i think its got much more to do with the governments who have been inpower.
on the other hand, american soil was stolen (like here in australia) from the natives by savage force as was most of south america, and i thought also canda was based in european origins given they speak english and french???
neway back to this uk business.
the police in the Ukis shit, like fucking uselesss. out of the time si have been in trouble myself, the pilice have never done nething at all.
even when i as like 13 years old, and i was chased up the road by a gang of about 10 people with sticks and stuff, who were all 17 18 or 19 or more, then they cornered me and beat me up, why? cos they could. its as simple as that. at tha age i was very upset, it hurt me emitonally and physcially, been knjocked about my a 18 year old man when you are 13 isnt great.
my mother told the coppers, they did nothing.
the police in my town closed at 8pm every night. given that this town has one of the hgihest amount of pubs per mile sq in the country, and terible unemployment, it is no surprise to learn tha basicaly the dcikheads could do what the fuck they wanted. the only way to surivive really was to know people, even if you were ough as nails, on your own you could not beat up the dickheads every day of your life in the town.
i was kinda lucky in a way, cos if it wasnt for the people i knew then the little beatings i got would have ben far worse.
only once would i say i honestly thought someone would kill me, some mad fucking skinhead neonazi who was running towards me with a lump of wood filled wit nails saying he was gunna kill me, again i hadnt done nething t him at all. just another fucked up townie on too much drugs.
anyway the most recent story that i can relate tothis isuee is that of my mate gaving. he was walking up the road with his mate sam, when a car drove by and threw bottle at them, it missed, but my mate shouted out 'what the fuck was that for'
the car tuirned around and zoomed back. 5 guys got out, and kinda spread out bit, 2 went onto the little guiy who was with gav, and 2 started pushing gaving around ';saying 'whats your fuckig problem'
he undesrtanaBLY REPSONDED 'you threw fucking bottle at us for no reason, why?'
while he was arguing with this big guy, one nasty little cunt has gone round the back in the drakness, hecame out of nowehre and smashed a wine bottle as hard as he could over the sideof gavins face. his jaw shattered into lots of pieces instantly and there was blood everywhere, the force of the blow knocked him ovr the wall. still he got up, cos his mate was getting beaten up, and he got hold of one f these foes and broke his face, then they all got back intheri car and drove off. he didnt get the number plate in the confusion.
now when i heard about this from another ofmy mates was sickened but not surprised as it happens almost daily in uk maybe hourly if you had cameras in every town.
i heard that gav had got straight onto a mate of his who had a car, and had gone searchjing for these guys to no avail,. no i they would have found them, i hoenstly think they would have killed these people. like put them in the ground if not tortured them.
now on one hand i feel torure and revenge like taht is wonrg, but on anotehr hand these guys wee drivign round attacking people savagely just cos they could and cos they got no fear of police. so how can justice be done?
i the end i changed my'welli dont agree with that kinda game, i dont want him getting more hurt or ending up injail' to 'well i gues i can understand.'
brighton isnt the nices place in the world and some areas are worse than others, but there are worse places al over the country. faversham, where i grew up was nasty. also livign ilongsight macnhester fotr a whikle was kinda interesting, gunshots all over he place stabings etc.
what i am saying is that unless you have lived in these places you cant realy have ne accurate idea of how baldy policed they are and how easy it is and commo for truly nasty evul fuckers to go round in gangs and just attack people no just hit them but like preoperly hurt them or kll them.
it does happen petty mcuh all the timein ukunles you live ina a unusuualy nice area.
so it boils down to a a sense of justice. if you say that hitler had to be confronted cos his actions were unjust, why dont other people have to be confronted who are unjust also in theri actions?it comes down to taking away someones liberty.
fire despite what i have written, due to thet fact that i like yo and respect you as am ate, i really hope that you can sort this tituaion out with aslittle nmore violence as possible. i hate hearing aboput more people i like who get hurt.
though as i have said, i can relate very easily to the situation. and non british people cant.
but yeh am i really tha mistaken to think that candians came from europeans also???they just been more fortunate and informed with their choci of governments perhasp. neway that a different debate entriely, maybe one i need to work through to get my history in order!!!
the less violence in this world thebetter. but aline must be drawn somewhere. if there si no police to deliver even a semblence of justice then what is the othr option?allow people to do what the fuck they want and get away with it, and just leave it to an idea of karma that they will get their just desserts soon enough?this oneo f th erasons i dont agree with the idea of karma 100% cos i met far too many truly nasty fuckers in the Uk who contiually act evil and get away with and it revel in it.......
the uk has some very severe problems with unpunished savage crimes. you nmust make a distinction between wrong and right, whilst undesratnding the environemnt, the situaion and the people and also an idea of justice.
what about if you were waling down the road and you saw a big guy rapin a woman. would you try reason with him???would ou walk on by???wopuld you call the cops and wait for hours for them to turn up while seing the poor woman get raped???i think we would all do something more than that.
its a wicked attitude to take like violence is always bad, but if violence was never used for good causes(im not saying fires is a good cause neccisarily i saying in general) then the world would be run by germans, so would that be preferable. or is it amttero fnumbers to some of us??liek if its jusa few people involved then its not as important as a few countries involved?
i stick to my original ideal tho, of violence been best to use only in times when survival is at stake or when another human or animal has its liberty taken away from it curelly by anotherlife form for evil reasons....