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Gosh, that's awful...sorry to hearflagg wrote:My daughter was killed in a car accident when she was 2 months from her 21st birthday .. ever since ive been like the clown with the smiley face but crying inside .
We call him CTCF for shortflagg wrote:Thank you cutthecashflow for your kind words .
JokersAce wrote:Depression can be prevented as long as your keep all your Sim's need levels in the green areas.
thank you so much ctcf for being the voice of reason in this thread.cutthecashflow wrote:Depression is a real disease that is charactarized by repeated neuronal firing that causes a sort of rewiring in the brain that can be cured/treated with a wide variety of different medications/treatments. While it is treatable and sometimes curable many people will fall back into a major depressive episode in their lifetimes and if they have had 3 major depressive episodes in the past they are almost %100 guaranteed to have more throughout their life.
Although the term depression is vague because there are in fact multiple types of depression all of which can be treated in different fashions. Major Depressive Disorder, Seasonal Affective Disorder, Manic Depression, Bipolar, Dysthmic Disorder, Post Partum Depression, Anxiety Depression, Atypical Depression, Chronic Depression, Double Depression, Endogenous Depression, Situational/Reactive Depression, Agitated Depression, Melancholic Depression, Catatonic Depression.
Cognitive behavioral therapy has been shown to be effective, as have tricyclics, MAOIs, SSRIs, and in some cases stimulants (dexidrine). Although I don't necessarly folllow one clear path or another when it comes to treating this disease I do believe that this is an actual illness characterized by abnormal levels of neurotransmitters in the brain caused by repeated exposure to certain events that propel an individual into a gloomy and miserable existence.
A warrior may choose pacifism, all others are condemned to it.
That is only the voice of Reason if you view Science as Reason. 'charactarized by repeated neuronal firing that causes a sort of rewiring in the brain that can be cured/treated with a wide variety of different medications/treatments. '...my family dies in a horrible fire, all burned to death, my beloved ratdog son included, i go see a doctor, and he tells me that bullshit...i cut his throat. As he is saying 'what we need to do is stop these neurons firing'...logically wrote:thank you so much ctcf for being the voice of reason in this thread.cutthecashflow wrote:Depression is a real disease that is charactarized by repeated neuronal firing that causes a sort of rewiring in the brain that can be cured/treated with a wide variety of different medications/treatments. While it is treatable and sometimes curable many people will fall back into a major depressive episode in their lifetimes and if they have had 3 major depressive episodes in the past they are almost %100 guaranteed to have more throughout their life.
Although the term depression is vague because there are in fact multiple types of depression all of which can be treated in different fashions. Major Depressive Disorder, Seasonal Affective Disorder, Manic Depression, Bipolar, Dysthmic Disorder, Post Partum Depression, Anxiety Depression, Atypical Depression, Chronic Depression, Double Depression, Endogenous Depression, Situational/Reactive Depression, Agitated Depression, Melancholic Depression, Catatonic Depression.
Cognitive behavioral therapy has been shown to be effective, as have tricyclics, MAOIs, SSRIs, and in some cases stimulants (dexidrine). Although I don't necessarly folllow one clear path or another when it comes to treating this disease I do believe that this is an actual illness characterized by abnormal levels of neurotransmitters in the brain caused by repeated exposure to certain events that propel an individual into a gloomy and miserable existence.
I have to say that I actually agree with both of you. To me, one of the most important parts of Chris' post was the second paragraph. There are simply different types of depression. In the example you gave about your family dying in a horrible fire, it is very likely that you would not suffer from a depressive disorder as a consequence. One of the most important things to point out is that feeling depressed is simply not the same thing as suffering from depression or having a depressive disorder. Therefore in such a situation a doctor simply would not discuss the neurotransmitters firing in your brain, because this would not be the case. This is why I argue that you guys are indeed both right... you are simply describing two different things. Technically, when people say that they feel depressed, "low", or "down", they are experiencing a depressed mood. Usually, like your example (though yours is slightly more extreme), these feelings are based on a temporary situation and fade quickly when the situation changes. Say your example did indeed happen (god forbid), it is quite likely that as the years pass, you would become stronger and potentially even recuperate through natural means. The same cannot be said for those who suffer from real depression... Medication may indeed be the only solution for some, in severe cases. Just as another example, people may feel down and sad around the holidays when they believe others are enjoying closeness and pleasant companionship. These feelings, though unpleasant, are quite different from the feeling of being under a black cloud that accompanies a serious depressive episode or major depressive disorder. This is where studying the brain actually plays an important role. One can argue all they want about how feeling depressed is indeed the same thing as a permanent "depressive disorder", however like you pointed out, there is simply no need to study the brain when someone becomes depressed after their spouse dies. On the other hand, it has been proven that there is merit to studying brain patterns when people are suffering from a depressive disorder.weedguru_animal wrote:That is only the voice of Reason if you view Science as Reason. 'charactarized by repeated neuronal firing that causes a sort of rewiring in the brain that can be cured/treated with a wide variety of different medications/treatments. '...my family dies in a horrible fire, all burned to death, my beloved ratdog son included, i go see a doctor, and he tells me that bullshit...i cut his throat. As he is saying 'what we need to do is stop these neurons firing'...logically wrote:thank you so much ctcf for being the voice of reason in this thread.cutthecashflow wrote:Depression is a real disease that is charactarized by repeated neuronal firing that causes a sort of rewiring in the brain that can be cured/treated with a wide variety of different medications/treatments. While it is treatable and sometimes curable many people will fall back into a major depressive episode in their lifetimes and if they have had 3 major depressive episodes in the past they are almost %100 guaranteed to have more throughout their life.
Although the term depression is vague because there are in fact multiple types of depression all of which can be treated in different fashions. Major Depressive Disorder, Seasonal Affective Disorder, Manic Depression, Bipolar, Dysthmic Disorder, Post Partum Depression, Anxiety Depression, Atypical Depression, Chronic Depression, Double Depression, Endogenous Depression, Situational/Reactive Depression, Agitated Depression, Melancholic Depression, Catatonic Depression.
Cognitive behavioral therapy has been shown to be effective, as have tricyclics, MAOIs, SSRIs, and in some cases stimulants (dexidrine). Although I don't necessarly folllow one clear path or another when it comes to treating this disease I do believe that this is an actual illness characterized by abnormal levels of neurotransmitters in the brain caused by repeated exposure to certain events that propel an individual into a gloomy and miserable existence.
Humans have a long history. People have always been depressed. Sometimes, I concede, due to a physically fucked up brain. But much more often than not, depression is caused by extreme trauma. Science can see what depression looks like, in the brain, and also use drugs to alter the brain to make people less depressed, but that is far away, a different fucking world, from addressing the TRUE cause of the depression. As mentioned, i am well aware that some people's brains are simply not put together Right. And those brains can cause allsorts of problems. But from my experience...of myself, and others...depression comes from Externally connected events, most definitely NOT, a damaged brain. The misfiring neurons is merely a snapshot of how the brain deals with depression and the trauma that has caused the depression. In a person who has never been depressed before, has no history of depression in the family, who gets depressed, due to an obvious trauma, this sciencentific evaluation of the brain is pointless. As a fellow human capable of gaining the trust of the depressed person, speaking with them, trying to encourage them to regain hope and fervour for existence, is much nmore useful, than a scientist studying their fucking brain activity. Its akin to a man punching me in the face, and a doctor addressing only the swelling...what the hell happens when i encounter the guy again???
Depression to me, is primarily about feelings, close to it, can come the mind's meanderings. Everytime I have suffered from depression, i have a very clear idea of WHY I AM DEPRESSED...and I revert to my own remedies, which are giving my body decent fuel, as nobody can feel good, if they eat shit and dont care for their physical state. The physical body is very connected to the emotional, mental and spiritual body. Secondly, I seek out loving company. Not necessarily to speak with them about my issues, but to simply be around love...but love is something which science takes a stab at explaining, again, through observation and analysis of the brain. More to it than that. Much more to it.
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