w.....t........f...... religion/911/ i dont wanna sound nuts

[JokersAce]

Who did it?

OMG THE GOVARMENT

[Funk Doctor]

Alright, let's discard all the evidence against the CT theories for a second, and work with the simple claim "The WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition".

Fact: Bringing down a tower like the WTC towers would require literally months of preparation. Tons of explosives, meaning thousands of individual charges, would have to be placed in precise spots, and then covered up as to not alert the occupants of the building.

Do you honestly believe that hundreds of workers could have worked for months on end, placing thousands of explosive charges all throughout the building, and covering up the charges and miles of wires, all without a single person noticing them, in not one, but THREE WTC buildings? If your answer is yes, then you should jump off the nearest bridge or skyscraper so you won't contaminate the gene pool any longer. Seriously, all 'evidence' aside, the claim that a CD was executed is so mindnumbingly stupid, my IQ dropped 5 points when I read it for the first time.

As for your Hitler argument... Setting a building on fire is a bit different from bringing three buildings down in a controlled demolition under the eyes of the 100,000+ people who work there. All Hitler would need is some fuel, a match and a volunteer, and the Reichstag would be up in flames.

Your analogy with the garage fire fits in the same category. There's a wee difference between a garage and a giant skyscraper, wouldn't you agree? Besides, how the fuck would the guy be able to build his garage on your property anyway? Also, fire brigades and police units would have been present. If you're going to draw up analogies, at least make them believable. By writing all that rubbish, you illustrated my point perfectly: the CT claims are so stupid, they're not even worth investigating.

[Ziggy]

If your answer is yes, then you should jump off the nearest bridge or skyscraper so you won't contaminate the gene pool any longer.

Lol good one.

Who said it had to be a complete controlled demonlition. Maybe the demolition was just wired to the main struts of the building to knock them out making the structure weak enough, allowing the building to fall ontop of itself from their. Adding that with the use of thermate/thermite could have easily done the job.

And as for the Hitler argument, I didnt mean it that way. I thought you had a problem believing that a person in power would do such a thing. Maybe using Hitler one of the most evil men in history wasnt a great example to use lol, but i didnt mean for it to sound like i was comparing setting a building on fire and the WTC incident.

As for my analogy the garage is just an example. still has some of the same components. When the WTC buildings went down, Bush shipped all the metal used in the buildings off to europe or china or where ever so they could do analysis on them. then claimed he did this so that he could build another building in its place as soon as possible. Bush also put a gag order on some of the fire fighters and police officers. And if you talking about the fire fighters still being their because of the time period of when it could have been burned down....lets say instead he was on vacation and when he came back he found out this happened.

And as for the coinscidences (sp?) i was talking about before. I was refering to Cheny taking over NORAD command for that week or month or day or however long it was. Almost all the planes being put through terrorist drills. Bush's cousin as head of security for the wtc building, and whose contract ended a couple days before 911 occured. the person who owned the wtc twin towers taking out a big insurance on them. that same person saying that they used controlled demonlitions to bring down wtc 7 (watch the movie terrorstorm if you dont believe me, i didnt believe it myself when i heard it) .... thats all i really remember right now.

And before we go on with this debate...theres no animosity here. we're just swapping beliefs right ?

[Funk Doctor]

Right.

1. Bush and the gag order. Where did you get that? I have yet to hear one firefighter or policeman claiming he was told to keep his mouth shut.
2. All steel being shipped out. Wrong. A hundred and fifty samples were taken from the debris. What did you expect them to do? Sift through 200,000 tons of steel looking for evidence?
3. Cheney and NORAD. Never heard about that one, but I fail to see why Dick Cheney taking command of NORAD temporarily is any sort of proof that 9/11 was an inside job. You would have had a point of he had been in charge of NORAD on 9/11 itself.
4. Terrorist drills. The FBI warned about a terrorist threat months before 9/11. The drills are likely a result of those warnings.
5. Marvin Bush as security chief. Misleading, he was not in charge, he was a member of the board of directors of the company in charge of the WTC security. Also, the contract did not end a few days before 9/11, it ended on 9/11 itself, when the attacks made security a rather unnecessary feat.
6. Larry Silverstein's insurance. Also misleading. There was no specific insurance taken, the WTC was merely privatised, and leased to the Silverstein Group for 3.2 billion dollars. The group naturally took over the insurance.
7. Larry Silverstein and the 'pulling' of WTC 7. Again, misleading. Silverstein is not a demolitioner, and as such, the term 'pulling' is not meant to be taken as a synonym for demolition. Firefighters feared the collapse of WTC 7 long before it came down, and ordered everyone out, i.e. they 'pulled' their men out.

[WeedGuru_Flow]

Skull&Bones!

[Ziggy]

1. I think thats part of the gag order.

2. What did the government do to investigate the unprecedented collapse of a steel-framed building from fires? It gave FEMA the sole discretion to investigate the collapse, even though FEMA is not an investigative agency. The engineers (known as BPAT) that were hired by FEMA to do tests on the structure of the building were not granted access to the site of the catastrophe (even though firemen and police were considering the toxicity of the air resulting in many health problems even though people in control of that assured the air was fine to breathe).

Rather, they were allowed to pick through some pieces of metal that arrived at the Fresh Kills landfill. Most of the steel was never seen by the part-time investigators. It had been sold to scrap metal vendors, and was being shipped out to overseas ports as quickly as the newly constructed infrastructure could handle. FEMA was only allocated $600,000 to investigate (not nearly enough for the destruction of 2 landmark buildings and 1 other). The Report they made was completely indecisive about the cause of Building 7's collapse.

http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
^^Chapter 5 of the BPAT report with highlighted evidence in my favour.

http://wtc7.net/steeldisposal.html
Also if you read some of this site, it talks about what should happen after a building collapses that never happened during this incident.

3. In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all war-game and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and war games on the morning of 9/11 that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted." Since the creation of NORAD, a joint Canadian United States venture, the order to shoot down an aircraft has always been the responsibility of the military Generals. On June 1, 2001, Vice President Dick Cheney ordered Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to allow him (Cheney) to take control of NORAD and the shoot down procedure and remove that power from the Generals. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/spingola/070403 About the 14th paragraph down.

4. Yes the FBI and many other government agencies around the world warned the US about such attacks, yet after they had happened and after they had done drills incase of such an attack. The government denied having any prior knowledge that such an attack could have happened.

5. About your remark on this, im not 100% on this area so I wont argue.

6. Why suddenly privatize a building. Silverstein received $861 millions dollars from a building whose estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building's collapse alone resulted in a profit of about $500 million. (good timing ?)

7. Larry Silverstein – “I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.” In no way could this be thought to have meant, pulling people out of the building. He later said that was what he “meant” by that was to evacuate all firefighters in the building at the time, this cant be true since there were no firefighters in the building at that time. The building also went down VERTICALLY at a fall time of 6.5 seconds (free fall from the top of that building)

Also here is a better shot of WTC7 after it fell. Quite a neat and tidy fall for a building. As you can see it is still smoking and they are trying to put out whatever fires their might be with water, so its not like the clean up crew was already their and vanished when this shot was taken.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/de ... dbombs.htm
Police found bombs in WTC - Video Link
On a side note to this. When a building falls a lot of the concrete, steel frames and bodies inside can be found in whole peices. Alot of the bodies are unaccounted for (blown apart perhaps) their was concrete dust everywhere in the air and at ground zero alot of the concrete was not there and if it was in small rubble size pieces...as for the steel frames, cant say much about that since 95% of it was melted and shipped away, but if you want i can try to find a picture i recall seeing of fragments of steel frame flying through the air. you would think that the steel frames would be bigger than fragments if a building JUST collapses and nothing induces explosions to rip it apart.

Here are a few questions maybe you could answer. I found these from another site but seem to be good questions to pose. (source upon request)

1. The fact that the Government had prior knowledge that these types of attacks were possible, and even probable. Though in the days after the event, we were LIED to by every government spokes-hole in the Bush administration that there was no knowledge, no way that anyone could have imagined something like this happening.
This simple fact is what we should be focusing on. This is where the lie begins. So many yell “smoking gun” when they show a video of windows being blown out of a collapsing building, when the smoking gun has been in our faces the whole time, from the very beginning (or before the beginning in this case). This is the crack in the dam that can bring down the whole facade. If they are lying about this simple fact, why would you believe anything else that is spoon fed to you by the same people? These lies have never been explained away.

2. The fact that the 9/11 Commission deemed the financing of the attacks was, “ . . . of little practical consequence,” and ,” . . . we have seen no evidence that any foreign government-or foreign government official-supplied any funding.”
WHAT?? Does this make sense to anyone? Didn’t the United States invade 2 countries because of their supposed involvement in 9/11? What about the evidence that Pakistan’s ISI (intelligence agency) director Mahmood Ahmed wired $100,000 to 9/11 terrorist ring-leader Mohammed Atta. Why has this information been buried and underreported by the media? Why haven’t we invaded Pakistan? Weren’t they “harboring” terrorists when Bin Laden supposedly fled there from Afghanistan? According to President Bush, “We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.”
On a side note about funding, did you know that the 911 committee was originally given only 3 million dollars to fund it’s investigation? (although this was eventually increased to 12 million.) To put this in perspective almost 40 million dollars (80 million if you include independent probes) was spent on investigating the Clintons’ various schemes and scandals. Think about that for a second, almost 4 times the money was spent on investigating a real estate scam and who the president was sticking his wick into, than the murder of 3,000 American Citizens. [sarcasm] Glad we have our priorities straight [/sarcasm]

3. The fact that the only video footage we have of Flight 77 hitting the pentagon is from the security booth, and even that footage wasn’t released for 6 months! Additional footage from better angles exists and has been confiscated by the FBI.
Wouldn’t this missing footage clear up any questions on what really happened at the Pentagon that day? Why is it being withheld? Don’t the American people, and the world for that matter, have a right to see that evidence?

[brown_kid8509]

fuck the government, everything is a scheme or a conspiracy, like global warming

as long as there is marijuana, it will make sense