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Am I the only one who is appauled by the UK's handling of immigration? I must first metion that i am in no way racist. I have many coloured friends and realise that they are just people like any other and i get along just fine with any of them who treat me well. My problem is with the shambolic government handling of the immigration legislation, (if, indeed, we even have any :roll: ) not the people who take advantage of it. I realise Britain represents a better life for these people, who therefore cannot be blamed for making use of our revolving door system.

What gets me is how the government, the people inexplicably chosen to run the affairs of our country, can allows our country to become so flooded with immigrants than London, our nations capital, now contains more foreigners than Brits. That would never be allowed to happen anywhere else, but here that seems perfectly acceptable.

It's not the fact that we allow people into the country, its the sheer magnitude and the indiscrimate screening process that is so lethargically applied. I don't see why we can't bring a logical system into effect, like those used in Australia and Canada, where people are only allowed in if they have something to offer to the country, such as qualified doctors and nurses.

Instead, they flood the streets with any Tom, Dick or Sanjeev who feels so inclined, and a large proportion of our taxes go towards supporting and housing them, rather than going to our sub par health care and education systems.

Whatever you think abou this subject, and no matter how much you believe that we are helping out those less fortunate than us, hoping to escape poverty or fierce dictators, that represents only a small proportion. Many come here simply to make use of our free education system and to push their sons or daughters so hard down the path the choose for them in order to gain a qualification an, ultimately, make masses of money that the are not entitled to.

Whatever you may say or have heard, immigrants are drain on the economy. You all know the significant adverse effects of over-population, and that fact remains the same whether the boom comes from excessive copulation or from immigrations.

The fact is, this country is full. The fact that each new development these days are appartment blocks demonstrates this fact, that we have too many people and not enough houses. I understand the compassionate point of view here, but our country and our citizens should come above any other. The attitude that ''we have so much in comparison, so we should give some to those who are less fortunate'' only gets you so far, and is precisely the reason England is only a nice country as opposed to a great one. If the money spent housing and supporting non-citizens were spent on making our country better, there is no telling what could be achieved.

And it's not just that, it's the sheer cheek of the nations that come in, particularly the Asians. Again, i stress this is not racism, it is reality. This is based on not just my opinions, but those of people that do business with them, and even my asian friends.

The do business only with each other whenever possible, the are more racist than any brit you will ever meet, desperate to take over the country of their 'opressers,' the same opressers who allowed if not them then their fathers into the country, housed them, gave them benefits and helped them to set up their business. Any brits they do do business with they attempt to swindle, and will help each other out in this aim in any way they can. They stick together in a way that politcal correctness does not allow us too. They truly believe, and i quote this from an asian friends ''within 20 years Asians will be running this country,'' due to their industrialist nature and the facts they will gang up on the very people who tried to help them. And if something is not done to tighten up the laws, then this is a very real possibility.

I realise there are many exceptions to these rules, but this represents the feelings of the majority, and it is the majority and the whole concept that should be frowned up rather than the individuals.

Is anyone with me on this? To me it seems painfully obvious that something must be done, but political correctness has overtaken logic in modern culture, and politicians care far more about public opinion and winning votes than what is truly best for our great nation.

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i think the only immigrants who should be allowed in are the ones who no a trade or are willing to work and have family here. not ones who come over for the easy life :D
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I couldnt agree more with you. I was watching TV one day and there are actually streets with arabic street signs, I mean WTF?! This is England and we have Arabic street signs? Also on the program there was a man who owned an Indian fabric shop and he couldnt speak a whole sentence of English and he had been living here for 10 years! This shit disgusts me and I will be a happy man the day I leave this country cause its going down the shitter.
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I agree 110%. I have no problems with foreign people moving over here, ASLONG AS they actually have the decency to learn our language, and also if they have something to offer us. For instance if they are a qualified doctor/plumber/electrician etc.......

The arabic street sign thing piss's me off, How likely do you think it would be that if you went to their country their would be english street signs?
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I cant fuckign believe that, Arabic signs. Where the fuck do they think they are. I agree with what people are saying.

The only real reason immigration should be allowed is if they a) speak our language b) are actually going to bring something useful to this country, otherwise they are just taking up our space and it can be really annoying.
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I have no problem with immigrants as long as they contribute something to society. I divide them in two categories, workers and moochers. Workers makes effort to fit in, they learn the native language, they get a job and stay out of trouble. Moochers just come here, expect to get a fat check at the end of the month and for the rest they do fuck all.

Immigration should be followed by integration. I'm a supporter of stricter laws on immigration. Give them a while to show that they mean business, and if they don't give them the boot.
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Post by Weedguru_Fire_Inside »

What i don't get is Asylum Seekers, or more the policy of Asylum.

If bringing all these poor foreign people in to our country is upsetting so many people, then why not set up asylum in the country that they're coming from, i mean, they'd be using just the same amount of money, and we wouldn't have all these selfish cocks bitching about their money being used to put more asians and indians in the country
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' Many come here simply to make use of our free education system and to push their sons or daughters so hard down the path the choose for them in order to gain a qualification an, ultimately, make masses of money that the are not entitled to. '

that attitude really epitimizes the kinda 'educated' white as white brits, who i despise..

if people wanna work hard and make lots of money then why the fuk should u care, where the fuck they came from??

I hate this idea of we got better life, so if people wanna come have better life than shit life, then we must stop them.

some asylm cases are suspect to say the least but many are very valid, and consdiering the devastation our own army, paid for by the uk taxes and people, causes around the globe, the very least i think the uk should be doing is to accept valid asylum seekers.

the world is to share, not for people to say fuck everyone who has less, and has less chances than i have in MY country. that view is insular and disgsuting really, but unfortunately many people, 'educated' people think this way and end up running busineses and governments and practuising wat they preach, and in general sprerading more ill feeling...

i agree with the idea of migrants accepting an intention and dedication to integration. the australian model however is a bad example to use, given the unusualy high amount of nationalties here, there is next to zero % integration.. not sure about canada, always seem like a open minded and relaxed well run country io suppose, but i havent known many candians...


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i love it when ppl in aus say things like "arabs dont integrate or learn the language and they live in arab only ghettos"; i have to point out the irony: thats exactly what the white settlers did (over here at least). no integration, no attempt to learn the lingo, and whites only settlements.
its the nature of the world, herds move from areas of low resources to areas of greater resources, humans included. immigration policy will have only a minor effect on population characteristics in the long run

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RathoRA wrote: immigration policy will have only a minor effect on population characteristics in the long run

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weedguru_animal wrote: some asylm cases are suspect to say the least but many are very valid, and consdiering the devastation our own army, paid for by the uk taxes and people, causes around the globe, the very least i think the uk should be doing is to accept valid asylum seekers.
I couldn't agree more. Valid asylum seekers are fair enough. But the fact of the matter is that an enormous proportion of the immigrants flooding into our country are not valid asylum seekers. They are opportunists. Not their fault of course, its the lax laws, but something should be done to control and regulate who comes here and why. I believe in the right to asylum, as if England were to become destitute or war ridden, i would like to think i could seek asylum in another country. Also, like i mentioned, those who intend to contribute to the country should be welcomed. But the line has to be drawn somewhere to control the surplus population. How about housing some of the millions of homeless people sleeping in doorways each night in britain before filling our limited government housing with people from other countries? My point is not that we shouldn't allow people in, but we need to monitor it so that we do not take on more than we can afford, and that we should look after our own before taking on other countries problems.

And AFI raised a fantastic point. If we really feel obligated to help out these other countries, why not spend the money on improving their country and making it so they the foundation to put their undoubted staggering work ethic into making their country something to be proud of, rather than attempting to take over ours.

And this is not a case of white or brown, and i find it offensive that you're implying that i am racist, as that could not be further from the truth. It is the concept rather than the people. I understand that people just want to make a better life for themselves and send money to their families back home and of course i do not blame them for that, but i am a firm believer that charity starts at home and though we are lucky in this country, the economy is not as strong as i should be and we are over populated.
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Post by weedguru_animal »

its is definately a worthy idea to suggest we use much monies, that are currently used for sustaining asylm seekers in the uk(who onthe whole dont have ne understanding of britihs society or culture), be used for helping rebuild infrastsrucitre, or help police the asylm seekers home country.

sometimes this is possible, often it is not.
I do think there is some good sense.

The british have a strong position golbaly, there is no getting away from that. One of the reason why, Britain islike this is due to its histroy opf marauding and conquest and colonisation, and then of giving back these coutnries many years later to the original inhabitatnts of the countries we took(if nay of them still alive!).
so i think it is fitting that in todays more contemporary moral system, that decsndants of people in these countries(whuich we previously took for our own)shoulsd eb allowed to reside in british air/o biritsh land what have you...
however, yes there needs to be a line drawn, or rather the 'vetting service' needs to be more rigourous, but i can understand how it must be hard when there are thousands of people trying to get into the Uk at any given time ..

I find it either useful or somehwat annoying whei see british signs in other countries, yes they can be b oviously hel[pful but it makes me think that brits still have this superuiority that is in their national chjaracter, or something mixed in with patriotism which is emmitted to the world as a whole..im not sure bout that, its a sepearte issue really..

neway the idea of doing more to try make the couintries of origin(of asylm seekers) safer and more accomodating, is a good one.
if people are getting slaughtered in a country, then i seeno reson why we shouldnt help them, weithe rby sorting out conflict(dpendant on pilitics) or by letting them come to the uk.


To me the world is here for us all to share, in a ideal sense, and i got no 'my island' mentality.

Shoudnt judge others on what the dow ith their lives, also we must remeber that there are many many brits who stay ont he dole or who derive their income from various crime.

immigrant and asylm seekers are seperate and need sepearte discussions really, i been talking bout asylm seekers.

also it must be noted that ihave been out he uk for 6 months now, almost , so imigration laws/issues may have changed. i must concede that...
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I live in Canada, and so we don't have this problem, but I agree with the idea. I mean, christ, if not able to work efficiently and offer England something useful, at the VERY least speak the language. I don't think the Arabs would like it if we all flocked to Saudi and forced them to give us all their jobs, support us, make English street signs, e.t.c. Make yourself usefull or get the fuck out.
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so what that the uk is heavily populated?

so what that economy isnt as strong as it could or should be, (or would be without militatry efforts)?

if you venture round the world, especially to the countries that are the origin of the highest proprottions of asylm seekers(who r trying to get into uk), then ithink perhaps your viewsm ight change.

its hard to imaginer how different the world is as you move from country to country from continent to continent.

despite my own critical views on the uk for much of the last 2 years, after been away for 4 months now andbeen in a environment which is much safer, much beter economy, much cheaper to live, better weather, i think more of the Uk than have done for a long long time.

i mean the uk has culture and soul like no other country i havebeen to. yes it is hard and increasngly hard to survive on nething more than the bread line so to speak, there is much +ve about the place when u compare it to other countries in the world.

if your family had been killed in front of you, say like in ksovo or somewhere like that, and you got to the uk the land where 'deomcracy' rules, and they say 'you dopnt speak english, you dont have a trade, go back to kosovo and die like you deserve, its nor our problem!' then that
atitude is copmpletely wrong to me, completely.
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weedguru_animal wrote: if your family had been killed in front of you, say like in ksovo or somewhere like that, and you got to the uk the land where 'deomcracy' rules, and they say 'you dopnt speak english, you dont have a trade, go back to kosovo and die like you deserve, its nor our problem!' then that
atitude is copmpletely wrong to me, completely.
Where, at any point, did anyone say anything to that effect?
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