my last hope....

[weedguru_animal]

i have no source of syicky flowers here, and i have been without ne sweet smelling smoke for 5 days now. i thought fuck it, why not plant some of the seeds i saved from the last bacth i was able to get hold of.

i put them in toilet paper, added a touch of water then stuck em in the cupbaord, some germinated so i got some soil from the field outside then stuck them in the pot. two of the them have sprung up already after one day in the soil.

now i have tried to grow from seeds like thuis before, and got a few plants up to a few cms, then managed to kill them eitehr by not enoug light or by people touching them and breaking the wea stems.

so i guess i need to ask some of you guys, is there ne real point me tryig to grow these plants like madly cheaply???and how long before i can tell if they are to be female plants or not??????

here are my little babies.....arent they pretty

[Weedguru Higher]

To me, there is no point trying to grow mad cheaply. You won't get enough yield from them for it to be worthwhile.

At around 30 days old you should be able to determine their sex from the preflowers, thought this depends on strain.

This picture shows what you should be looking for..the female ones of course. The preflowers are really really tiny and you have to look for them through a magnifying glass

http://www.hempcultivation.com/420/atta ... 1134349591

If you don't have or wanna bother with the preflowers then you do it the normal way.

Plants begin to sex when you put them into the flowering cycle ; lights 12/12. When you do this depends entirely on you. You can veg a plant for a week or for years. Regardless of the size of the plant. I can't remember how long it takes for the sex to show though..I'll have to go look that up. I think it's pretty soon, but not sure. I've always grow all from female clones and never had this problem either till this year! In the same spot as the preflowers you will see the sex..hairs for a female, balls for a male. These ones are visible with the naked eye.

[weedguru_animal]

thanks alot for that advice higher.

to be honest i just wondering if ther ne point continuing with these two little plants that have started growing. its getting just normal light bulb light which will be too weak for it to grow properly i assume. as the plants need different light rays for diffrent ares of growth from my limited knowledge.

i juts wondered if it was worth me adding nething to try make them grow into smokable plants(if they turn out to be female).

if i could get this to grow into something smokeable then i would be more tha happy to get a lamp of some kind and some nutrients or different soil.ne suggestions or you really think only worth doing if i gunna do properly with proper equipment?

neway i would ask more but the only definite female around me has suddenly become naked, so i must oblige her as best i can.....

[astramasta]

ok heres a few suggestions, i got 3 kitchen lights, (from b&q u must have a store like that in aus) they cost me £8.00 each or something ridiculas like that, including the bulbs ((bright white)
i hd two up the sides and one above, with reflective tape stuck to the inside of the cupboard i grew them in. (id advise growing in a cupboard cause when it comes to flowering time, ur gonna need to have complete darkness for 12 hours, this is hard without an enclosed environement.)
nutrients, miricle grow patio is suppose to be a good cheap alternative to proper nuts, but id advise ionic or perhaps vita link nutrients (ionic is about £30 for the 3 bottles u need and vita link is about the same) both of which are suitable for soil growing and hydro, just be careful not to overfeed.
the alternative is ecolights, i just got one, and they seem pretty fucking shit hot from what iv grown so far. cost me £40.00 including the reflector, they are low energy, and low heat (125w) and are in the exact spectrum for growing weed. www.basementlighting.co.uk email those guys and they will sort u out, they deliver worldwide too. a few ££ on pots and £10 for some decent soil and uv got a setup good enough for 4 plants and up to 16oz of green. a years supply id say
but then again, why dont u just grow outside, its the right climate for some sticky green buds dude. some purple power plant would ripen up sweet as fuck in that climate.........
heres how my plant is doing under those lights described above.

thats at 27 days......... another 2 weeks and its ready for flowering time........

[Weedguru Higher]

Don't mean to disappoint you, but there is no way in hell you will get 16oz from four plants in that type of setup! Anyways, yield totally depends on the strain. Some plants genes will only let them do 1 or 2 ounces and some can get you a pound (16oz) per plant. But even that is under ideal growing conditions!!

Without growing under MH or HPS don't dream too much about ounces..think more in grams otherwise you may be dissappointed.

Anything less than MH or HPS usually produces real tall and skinny plants, thus resulting in long internodal growth. It's called stretch

Compare these two pictures :



That plant is receiving poor lighting. See how tall it grew before it had leaves? Note how far apart each branch is from the other. And note how long the stem of each leaf is.

Now take a look at this picture



See how closely everything is growing together?
These plants that are 17 days old and a few inches high are are much better garnished than the other one that is twice it's age.



This one here (sorry bout the focus) is the one that has stretched the most, but it's not really that bad at all. Nothing to freak over



On a plant that does nothing but stretch for light to survive, you get way less possible bud sites, thus way less yield.

Because of the low light the light can't penetrate through the plants or the buds. It creates very loose nugs, compared to hard dense ones from good light.

The branches and stem are so skinny that they can't even hold the weight of the bud, and they wind up breaking

If you do use poor light, then I would highly suggest atleast toppping the plant a few times throughout vegetation. It'll toughen the plant up a bit and create more bud sites.

Edit : This is a photo I borrowed from Goo(without permission hope you don't mind!)

It shows a plant that has recieved the correct lighting



Short, bushy well garnished, not long, skinny...well you get it

But good job anyways, it's still just fine from somebody with little grow experience.
I was lucky and learned the trick of the trade from experienced growers before even starting to grow. Makes a world of difference. I knew right off what NOT to do. Cept years later I am still learning new things, it's one of those sciences that has endless possibilites!

[Weedguru Gooster]

Hey! You can use my plants as examples of decent indoor lighting anytime - lets just hope we wont be using them as an example of how epic potential got wiped out by some terrible plague!

I think I will grow them veg for a total of 10 weeks (thats about 5 or 6 more weeks) and then go to Bud. Hopefully they wont get too monsterous.

Goo

[weedguru_animal]

thanks folks, the advice is very useful indeed and has persuaded me that it isntr worth doing unlessi do it properly.

if and when i return to uk i will try get in ahouse with some fellow tokers and then do the cupboard idea. i gues its worth doing only if you do it right.
so thanks forthe advice and i will be bakc looking for advuice when i am ain place where i can crate a grow setup cheaply but at last with the essntials that you all talk about..

thanks
animal
and im so envious of all these plants i seeeee..
you all seem like wicked gardners!!

[astramasta]

i think that is bullshit. i got just under an ounce each plant from my last grow, and my entire setup had cost me £80 maximum it was a decent smoke, u only have mine and my friends words for it but i assure u it was not of bad quality at all. but the most important thing is it was bud, and free bud at that. and the important thing here is gettng hold of some bud, so grow them mutherfuckers.


and that picture does make it seem a little stalky and stretched, but if u look at the other pictures, it isnt as bad as it looks in that pic, i could do with some reflection to help with light at the bottom of the plant, but at the top it just keeps on bushing out at quite a rate.